Is it moral for God to punish us?

But if chosen like scriptures say Jesus was, then they had no choice.

God would have needed a murderer and would not live without one.

Regards
DL

 

Yes, there is no hell. It is a false doctrine.

 

You can't have an all knowing and all powerful GOD with a PLAN...and at the same time have FREEWILL!

The two cannot exist together.

AboveAlpha

 

Not exactly. God gives a "big set of choices". I see it like a trip in a big city. You can choose your desired place you want to get and you can choose your route. The roads are built. And you have to choose - go straight or turn left or turn right and then again and again. But you can't do whatever you want, you can't fly or go underground or go throught buildings. The point is existing roadmap doesn't mean the driver has no choice at all.

I'm sorry I don't quite understand. Why do you think so?

 

Actually we can fly....we can go underground and we can we can walk straight through buildings.

Given some time we will be advanced enough to place your bodies out of Quantum Phase and walk straight through solid walls.

Quantum Mechanics dictates that in order for a choice to exist....every single choice must be made in an alternate divergent universal reality where infinite versions of you and I and everyone else and everything else exists although perhaps slightly different.

It is not possible for FREEWILL to exist and at the same time to be a part of a GODS PLAN.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually it would seem quite possible that God could choose not to be involved. That of course would cause another whole load of inconsistancies.

 

Is there a heaven and where is it if there is one?

What did you think of the logic for a Universalist God and why we all deserve heaven?

Regards
DL

 

Eh. He only gave Jesus one choice. Not a large set of choices.


What do you not understand?
If God plans a murder, he must insure that there is someone there to be murdered as well as someone to be the murderer. Right?

Jesus could not sit at the bottom of the cross just waiting forever for nothing. Right?

Regards
DL

 

I'm not God so I don't know for a fact anything concerning the afterlife. But, my faith is based in the NT teachings of Jesus. As far as I can tell, you are either saved through him or annihilated in the lake of fire.

Heaven for humans will be on this earth after the old earth and universe are cleansed of all that offends God. He creates this new heaven and earth where we live with him. It has always been my belief that everyone will be surprised(ignorant of it)one way or another, in what the true afterlife will be.

 

God then is unruly, and if He wishes somebody to be murdered, or raped or punished for no fault of him how does He vindicate His ways. God has a few chosen seeds and the rest do not deserve his mercy.

 

Yes; especially when we commit the "treason" of bearing false witness, even to our own laws.

 

Faith instead of thinking. Oh well.

Jesus is a third of Yahweh if you can fathom the foolish Trinity concept that Constantine forced the church to adopt.

Why would you have faith is a genocidal son murdering God who think it just to punish the innocent instead of the guilty?

Regards
DL

 

Mercy is not the issue. Injustice is.

Strange that you have God with a few chosen seeds when we are told that all life should be venerated.

I think you are coping out of thinking as you cannot defend your God.

No one can. He is too big of a prick.

Regards
DL

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How would you know that that false information was not planted by God himself? Hi is the father of all lies according to scriptures.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. - Jeremiah 20:7

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

That pesky God sure works in mysterious ways.

Regards
DL

 

It is why critical reasoning skills are important; since it could simply be an open book test that only the nine hundred ninety-nine, "fall for".

 

Define punishment.

 

If I have to, you show how poorly your religion has taught you.

Regards
DL

 

Indeed, but if we do accept the absurdities of trinitarian theology Son, Father and the Holy Ghost are all part of a single entity, an entity that can only be described as seriously masochist. He/she/it's sadism is another puzzle.

 

It does get funny when you think of it.

Father. I will condemn all souls and hurt them badly.
Son. No no. Forgive them and hurt me instead.
Father. Sounds like fun then I can hurt myself as well.

Regards
DL

 

Funny ? No, this is when it gets serious if you consider the effect all this sadism and sexualised imagery of a semi naked man nailed to a cross has on the minds(often on a dangerously sub-conscious level) of the young. 'Suffer little children to come unto me" YEH!

 

It is possible that a GOD exists although that Probability is very low if GOD is defined as advertised in ancient human religious text.

It is also possible that GOD might have chosen to not get involved.

But that would also mean there is no such a thing as GODS PLAN in the sense those of faith see it.

When I post about GOD in the way I am here I really get a good laugh.

If a GOD exists....it is NOTHING like any human being ever imagined it to be.

AboveAlpha

 

God is not dead, it just doesn't give a darn!

 

We really don't know if a GOD exists or not never mind if such a thing cares.

AboveAlpha

 

God doesn't punish....Karma is a natural law, like gravity...you get what you deserve...you reap what you sow. It's not God's fault that you made the wrong choice.

God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, evil did. They made the wrong choice...they chose evil.

 

Yes, especially if we are unwilling to help ourselves enough for even a god to help us.

 

The immoral part of all this is, the people who want the rest of us to follow the rules of their imaginary mythical "God" creature. How dare they.