Is It Mueller Time ... ?

Conspicuously absent Bob Mueller. After 2 days of congressional appearances by AG Barr, our former special counsel is no where to be found. More conspicuously, House (D)'s aren't looking for him. NYT, The Hill, and AP news-wire broke a pretty big story, very late yesterday. Former Obama WH counsel Greg Craig is awaiting a federal indictment, one directly connected to Mueller's investigation. https://apnews.com/955eb48cfe954258bfc80f45e9588621 Obama's former legal adviser committed crimes identical to those of Paul Manafort. Ukrainian lobbying, FARA violations, money lauderering, etc. Manafort was prosecuted by Mueller, while Craig's case was left to NY federal prosecutors discretion. More suspiciously, NY prosecutors announced they would indict Manafort again because they thought Manafort's federal prison sentence was too light. What else has Mueller "redacted" by omission? Craig basically claims the looming indictmen is part of a political witch hunt. Good one Greg, but not too original. Thoughts?

 

Can we start the "walls are closing in" chants yet?

 

I just love the irony ... Greg Craig has the gall to say it's a political witch hunt? Craig did exactly what Manafort was sentenced to 7 yrs. for doing. Will the democratic circus EVER leave town?

 

I don't understand your point at all.

Greg Craig, besides having terrible parents, appears to have broken the law. He is being indicted for it. The reason his case was handed off is likely because it had nothing to do with the meddling in the 2016 election which was Mueller's focus. Manafort has EVERYTHING to do with the 2016 election. So Mueller prosecuted him for those crimes. He also handed off to the Southern District other crimes Manafort allegedly committed but weren't found to be part of the 2016 election.

So, again, what's your point?

 

My point is that Mueller prosecuted Manafort for identical crimes, also having nothing to do with election meddling. NY prosecutors coordinated with Mueller re: Manafort and Craig. Mueller didn't hand off Manafort.

 

No, not the same charges.

We don't know the exact charges from the DC prosecutor just yet, or I haven't seen them, but Manafort's were 18 in total. Most of which involved tax fraud and bank fraud in connection with money he personally moved/received from a foreign government. This goes to why he was the subject of the 2016 election meddling/collusion by Mueller because that's how one manipulates an election, they find someone who is desperate for something (in this case money) and use that to influence them by giving them money. While Mueller did not have conclusive evidence Manafort was manipulated in this way by Russia, he did find these ties to Ukraine and charged the crimes he had the proof to do so. 10 of them failed to convict. Mueller said there was not enough evidence to PROVE collusion. He never said he suspected it happened or rather it happened but there wasn't enough evidence to bring any charge related to collusion to court. Having not seen the final report because clearly it makes Trump look worse, I can't say exactly until that day comes.

Greg Craig, besides being charge with a rhyming first and last name which is a crime in of itself, is being charged with providing false information regarding the foreign agents act. There is no charge as of yet that he lied to get money from anyone or anything of that nature that would have exposed him to influencing an election or a campaign. That said, this is a much less serious charge by comparison to any of the charges Manfort faced and more importantly, it has nothing to do in any possible way to being part of Russian interference with the 2016 election. Manafort's clearly did.

That's the difference. I'm sure as a Trump supporter you can't and won't see it. All this proves is Mueller a REPUBLICAN, is one of the few who still has integrity and openly believes in the rule of law. You guys should take notes.

 

Craig facind charges for FARA in re: Ukrainian lobbying. Laudering Ukrainian payment. Evading the taxes. etc ... etc ... Identical crimes, preferential treatment. U mad bro?

 

Only mad that you seem to revel in your ignorance. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt so it really disheartens me when they prove me wrong with their inability to read.

Here's a rundown. Nothing to do with charges similiar to Manaforts save the FARA.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/politics/greg-craig/index.html

So I maintain, democrat or republican, if you can be charged with a crime you should be.

Anyway, tell yourself whatever you need to. Lie if you must. But don't lie to me. You don't even know me. Why waste the energy? So you can feel like it's bigger down there because you can tell yourself you finally won an internet argument? Please, get more in your life so you don't need these things, ok bro? Or go back the gym where people actually use the term bro in real life. Thanks.

 

I definitely sense some hostility. Why don't you refer to the link provided in my OP? Or review the other 2 sources I've named? I'm just the messenger OK? Craig's conduct as reported, is identical to crimes committed by Manafort. Same Ukrainian income source, same FARA crime, same money laundering and tax evasion. Another win for team Mueller.

 

The mueller witchhunt was a failure

Trump is still president

 

Dems seem pretty upset about Mueller's limited successes. Collusion wasn't Mueller's creation, and I can't fault him for investigating what he was hired to investigate. Debating Mueller's scope is moot at this point, but NY / Mueller's selective prosecution is very much relevant going forward. Mueller & NY prosecutors need to explain why Craig wasn't indicted.

 

Mueller's stated goal was never to remove Trump from the office of the President.

 

That was the goal of the anti trump movement

And mueller was the tip of the spear aimed at trump

 

Mueller was appointed by people who work for Trump. Mueller did the job he was asked for America like a good patriot. Don't complain about him.

And don't pretend like a special council looking into legitimate concerns over foreign interference belongs with the past anti-president crows like the liars about Obama's birth certificate or those who said Bush caused/let 9/11 happen. This was a genuine investigation that led where the facts took it. You can't gripe about that just because it involved your favorite, golden haired con man.

 

What was the predicate crime to start an investigation? The still unverified dossier? What was the reason for the FBI to spy on Trump as a candidate?

 

Mueller was appointed by congress. Confirmation ... heard of it? Congress was elected to confirm the appointees of the person elected to fill the highest office in government. Everyone in DC answers to the people who put them there, and who pay their salaries. Voters and taxpayers.

 

It's readily available information. The Austrailians told us that Papadopoulos was told the Russians had dirt on Hillary. Even Devin Nunes agreed in his own memo. So you have your answer. You just don't like it.

The Steele dossier was oppo research by republican donor Paul Singer that the democrats took over funding after Trump was nominated. It wasn't the reason that started the investigation.

The real question you should be asking yourself is if all you say is true, then why are long time, career republicans who have fought and served this country trying to keep Trump out? Mueller was never in your cross-hairs until this moment. Before that, he was an honorable and capable leader of the FBI among other things. And a dedicated republican. So think about that and what that means. You can't suddenly declare dedicated republicans traitors simply because they looked into a potential threat to the country. That's called doing their job.

 

Congress was elected to represent the people. The senate, sort of ish. It's in that constitution thingy. You should read it.

Congress is NOT there to rubber stamp Trump's appointees. That's what dictatorships do. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I agree, everyone in DC answers to the voters and taxpayers. And the only way they can do that is by being transparent. You should ask Trump to be transparent by releasing his taxes just as you would have demanded if Obama hadn't. Can you imagine your rage if Obama refused to release his taxes? I can.

 

Yes ... you do have a vivid imagination.

 

Without the dossier, there would be no investigation. That is also easily found information. One would think that an administration weaponizing the FBI and DOJ to go after Americans would be a problem but evidently not.

 

Yes I do. That's what happens when you use that thing you lug around all day on the top of your neck. What really bugs you is you know my imagination is right.

Again, if Trump has never broken any of the laws or done the things he's accused of, you realize the vindication is in his tax records, right? If he's not owned by Russian money (spoiler alert, he is, it's known that's who backed him after he managed to bankrupt a casino of all things for his personal profit) then his taxes will show that to be true. So he should release them. His taxes are the story of his financial life so to show he's who he claims, a self made billionaire, well then he should release them. He doesn't. Because he knows what they show. And so do you. So when I say he inherited 400 million via a dodgy Trump family tax scheme and is owned by Russian millionaires, you know it's true. Argue all you want, but without those tax returns you have no proof to back your claims. So YOU should demand their release even more than me frankly.

 

Not at all true as I pointed out above. Also, Devin Nunes agrees with me.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/read-the-full-text-of-the-nunes-memo/552191/

See? The FBI started the investigation that was then re-assigned to Mueller. Ta da! The Steele Dossier is a nice scapegoat hence why Nunes focuses on it in his memo, but the reality is no one cares if Trump paid Russian hookers to pee on a bed. Sounds like him, he likes golden everything, but no one could care about that.

What they DO care about is that Papadopoulos was approached by Russians indicating that they had dirt on Hillary.

What you are trying to assert is that they used the Steele info to get the FISA warrant on Carter Page. Whether or not it was a good idea to include it, the dossier wasn't the justification for anything. It was merely one more piece of paper on the pile.

 

Hahaha! How cruel of you to taunt the Trump haters.....

 

I see your vivid imagination is telling you this Thread is about Trump and his tax returns. It's in reality about the crimes Craig committed and Mueller / NY fed prosecutors not indicting Craig for his crimes.