IS PUTIN SANE?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by DEFinning, Feb 24, 2022.

  1. FatBack

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    A legend in your own mind....
     
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    When I examine this invasion closely, I realize Putin is on the side of preserving cultural differences and Ukraine is not. On the surface, it would appear the opposite...It is not.

    Zelensky bombed, starved and killed those two breakaway provinces in the east of Ukraine because they didn't act Ukranian enough and now people (like the Chechens who don't act like Ukrainians) are out to kill Zelensky because Zelensky acts too much like the Ukrainian government which forcefully prohibited cultural differences within the Ukraine.

    The fascists are within the Ukranian government and Russia, for example, is the fascist hunter.
     
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    Not lost .. you the one building strawmen - putting made up words in mouth of your opponent - and hopefully you get so bored of this nonsense tactic ..you will stop doing it :)
     
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    IS PUTIN SANE?

    It's a question I've seen raised by a number of commentators given Vlad's unhinged accusations of Ukraine being run by drug addicted Nazis. Not that it's unusual for him or his state run media to use propaganda. But his claim is so manifestly untrue one wonders why he would make it. It appears to be the irrational rantings of someone who has become immersed in his own reality. More or less like claiming electoral victory for an election lost by 7M votes.
     
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    NO. <-period
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Being how you can comment on Trump and Putin's mental state yourself, but want to condemn someone else about Biden's mental health reeks of pure hypocrisy..
     
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    Trump is not president.
    Joe has dementia and is in cognitive decline.
    Russia troops are now in the capitol of Kyiv.

    Nice post but your slip is showing. We are at the brink of war... Get your priorities straight.
     
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  8. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    It seems a small contribution, but may have been great, compared to your resources. So, thanks.
    I suppose one might relate this idea, to Putin, beginning to think of himself, as invincible or, more likely, of his opposition as ineffectual. It will be interesting to see how he adapts, now finding that he is not skiing quite so flat a hill, as he had hoped.

    He was prepared for moguls, however, with most of his forces, still being held in reserve. The question is, was that always part of the plan?
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nice cut and paste... if it is not to much trouble could you please provide a link to the actual letter.. seeing these people actual signature would go along way to authenticating it.

    """OPEN LETTER ON DONALD TRUMP FROM GOP NATIONAL SECURITY LEADERS
    MARCH 2, 2016""""

    """His vision of American influence and power in the world is wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle. He swings from isolationism to military adventurism within the space of one sentence."""

    It is now 2/26/22... Trump got us into zero (0) wars which literally debunks your "open letter"

    Russia troops are inside Kyiv as we speak. Biden is the president and let this happen... 120 years in the senate and suppose to be the greatest foreign policy expert to ever live. This would have never happened under a sane Trump but DID happen under an incompetent and dementia ridden crime boss Joe Biden
     
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    Climate change..... what is this garbage about?
     
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  11. DEFinning

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    Why do you believe this??
    What proof do you have of it? Just the word of Putin, & what they say on RT?
    Are you Russian? And is that where you live?

    Though I have not studied these would- be, breakaway Republics, it seems much more likely that any attacks on them, would be akin to any government, trying to put down an insurrection. Since I think it unlikely that everyone in those two cities, wants to revolt, I would strongly doubt there has been any bombing, by Ukraine, certainly not in the cities, themselves. It would be hard to fathom how, if Ukraine had actually been bombing a city for 8 years, it still would be standing.

    Another poster here, told me about Putin's using the Chechen forces-- which are still part of Russia, aren't they, so it's not like this is their choosing, as you present it-- he said, to avoid sending home dead Russians, because Putin's war is more unpopular with Russians, than Putin had hoped; they aren't all swallowing the propaganda, as easily as have you.

    Now this is just silly. The "Fascist Hunter?" Tell me, how do you distinguish between the autocrat, Putin, & his kleptocratic oligarchs, who have been compared to a criminal mafia, using force, to ensure subservience, and the "fascists...within the Ukranian government?" Is that based on the "bombing" story, or what other allegations are rolling around, in your head?

    Swimming in a sea of people spouting and/or believing this stuff, I can see Putin kind of losing touch with what is real & what's not. Like an actor, overly- wrapped, in a role.

    I can, though, imagine Putin starring in a hit Russian t.v. series, called "Fascist Hunter!" in which Vlad tools around, on a chopper motorcycle, in a leather vest-- open, of course, and shirtless.


    And you see this as something to invade a country, and start a war over?

    To threaten the use of nuclear weapons, because of? Your narrative just does not make sense.


    Thanks, though, for the update, on RUSSIAN TROOPS, BEGINNING TO FIGHT THEIR WAY INTO KIEV.

    Here is a really helpful website, for all-- short blurbs, but on a good number of related stories:


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-26-22/index.html


    [snip]

    Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a halt Friday to the Russian military's advance in Ukraine pending negotiations, but operations resumed after the government in Kyiv allegedly refused talks, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Saturday.

    A Ukrainian presidential adviser denied in the early hours of Saturday that Ukraine had refused to negotiate.
    [end Snip]


    Another story said that THE U.S. had offered to airlift President Zalensky out of Kiev, but Zalensky responded, he needs ammunition, not a ride.

    Sounds like one tough, brave lot-- you gotta give them that.



    One other story that I noted, said that Hungary (w/ Vlad's buddy, Viktor Orban, in charge) would NOT BLOCK the new, banking sanctions, against Russia.

    More stories there-- I didn't go through them all.
     
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    beign how you can't admit Trump and Putin have mental issues, how can you claim Biden does? Reeks of pure hypocrisy..

    I have said both Trump and Biden are elderly old men, should not be President, hope for someone younger in 2024, how about you?
     
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    The future of our planet.
     
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    YOU are the one who brought a letter, from Dr. Ronnie Jackson, speculating on Biden's mental health. Apparently you thought that, it being ostensibly about losing one's grip on reality, was close enough, to jump that gap. So, I offered you, also, some letters to a President, thinking this should be, by the same principle, as related to your post, as yours had been, to the overall thread.

    However, I will jump, in my next installment, if you prefer, to the letter questioning Pres. Trump's mental health, back in 2017, I believe.
     
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    Trump took and passed a cognitive test, Joe has not and will not take a cognitive test... Joe is looking down Pootin's barrel .... Trump is not president, which some on here want to continually talk about, but some on here want to condemn me for bringing up the sitting presidents mental condition and the FACT we are at the doorstep of WWIII

    Here is something you will never hear..., mostly because ole Joe ain't going anywhere near a cognitive assessment test...

    Trump aces Montreal Cognitive Assessment test



     
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    I didn't realize Russian bots were still active on the board.
     
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    Putin seems sane to me. Be he also appears to be drunk with power as well. Even sane people make bad decisions. I've made my share of them to be sure.
     
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    lol, is the right still bragging that Trump's doctors were so concerned about Trump they gave him a Montreal Cognitive Assessment test to see if he was all there more than once?

    so Trump had these symptoms? what were Trump's symptoms that led up to this test?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/ment...t-montreal-cognitive-assessment-exam-n1234762

    "
    Symptoms that would prompt giving someone the exam include:
    • patients repeating themselves
    • losing car keys frequently
    • forgetting recent events
    • multiple instances of forgetting conversations
    "

    [​IMG]
     
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    I just watched that and it's incredibly honest and informative in trying to understand Russia.
     
  20. DEFinning

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    I can see the link, small as you've made it, IN YOUR QUOTE! I put it right at the end. Here it is, from my original post (with a little of what comes before & after it, in case you want to try to find it, in the post of yours which I'm now answering, since you couldn't find, what was clearly, in front of your face).


     
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    This thread was turned into to a Trump thread along time ago my friend.. from starting as a Pootin thread.. so don't preach to me why anyone would bring up the SITTING PRESIDENT mental decline while you dance all over the former president..
     
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    Trump was in the ops post... calling Putin a genius

    which leads us to wonder why Trump would side with Putin and praise him at a time like this?
     
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    2016.. Number of Signatories: 122... that is a lie, unless you can produce the actual letter with 122 different signatures. So your article has little value. Your article is a copy and paste with names on it. How about you bring a link to the table with signature on it like in post #36... a .gov site would be nice.

    """""Mr. Trump’s own statements lead us to conclude that as president, he would use the authority of his office to act in ways that make America less safe, and which would diminish our standing in the world."""

    2022... Trump never got us into war... your "open letter" is a fizzle...and Biden is about to get us into one.
     
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    Only one of your 3, different statements, above, really fits this thread.

    So, if you are going to have the nerve to object, when I respond to your letter to Biden, with letters to Trump, then you have NO EXCUSE, to continue on, with your casting aspersions on Biden; there are plenty of other threads, for that.

    Here, you mention both Joe Biden and TRUMP. So don't even think about turning around & trying to fault me, if I come back, w/ something else about Trump. But this all belongs elsewhere.

     
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    BREAKING NEWS:

    Kyrgyzstan is REFUSING TO SEND TROOPS TO FIGHT IN UKRAINE!

    PUTIN SENDING RUSSIAN TROOPS THERE, TO PREVENT AN UPRISING!

     

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