Is the 9/11 Scam Coming Undone?

Discussion in '9/11' started by Sly Lampost, May 16, 2016.

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  1. supaskip

    supaskip Well-Known Member

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    That she made an error. The simple explanation was that she [and other reporters] were told that WTC7 looked like it was going to collapse, so they made sure emergency response were not near that area. She misreported that it HAD collapsed. Simple human error.

    I think that's a whole lot more plausible than "we are going to pull it, but don't report this for 20 minutes because we haven't done it yet, and don't tell anyone we are doing it because we want to make it look like part of the terror attacks".
     
  2. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Simple minds like conspiracy theories.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enquiring minds often come up with something which simple minds hadn't thought of?
     
  4. Sly Lampost

    Sly Lampost New Member

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    Politics and conspiracy go hand in hand everyday. This forum is the right place for that.
     
  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    For 18 floors of WTC 7 to collapse at free fall rate has never been explained by NIST. It was not even noticed by NIST until pointed out by a high school professor at the presentation of the draft report of the collapse. It was then acknowledged and white washed in the final report. Structures do not fall at free fall rate unless any support is instantly taken away.

    However, the reporting by BBC of the collapse before the actual collapse is just a misunderstanding by the reporter.

    I do believe that the government were aware that the hijackings were going to take place but not aware how devastating they would be. Too many events happened on that day to make it just coincidence.
     
  6. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In some situations, yes. But in a majority of situations (like those people who think the moon landing was done on a Hollywood stage, or that Elvis is still alive) it is the people with low IQ's that are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.
     
  7. Sly Lampost

    Sly Lampost New Member

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    Actually, I'm not (although I do think that). The article I posted does that. Plus I've posted the name of 100 professors who regard the official narrative of 9/11 to be a combination of evidence suppression and evidence distortions and who go into great detail about these facts. Did you read either? Doesn't look like it to me.



    What's simple is your answer imo.

    I note in your above post that you didn't even bother to read my correction (I wrote it in capitals so it was obvious) - plus my later post - that half a dozen news organizations reported that the building had come down - or was about to come down - prior to the demolition happening. I've also posted a video clip of two clearly held demolition explosions (there were others). The video was withheld by NIST until it was released following a legal suit. In other words they didn't want the vid made public because it clearly would've harmed their official narrative.... possibly fatally.

    Meanwhile, you somehow think "I've" got to prove these things to you when you can't even be bothered to read anything I provide evidencing what I post. In response to that conundrum (asking questions but not reading answers/explanations), allow me to say for the record that I really don't wish to prove anything to you. Believe what you want. If you want to know something get up the dander and energy to go and check out stuff for yourself - I'm not your unpaid researcher.

    So, why don't you go and read the links I provided as well as the vids and get back to me with rationally formed questions drawn from the facts rather than keep trying to debate rhetorically all the time.

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    "Simple minds" suits you admirably, Texas.
     
  8. Sly Lampost

    Sly Lampost New Member

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    Nice conspiracy theory. But it doesnl;t account for the facts.

    Six news organizations reported in advance of building 7 being demolished. That wasn't an accident or misunderstanding or error. Once upon a time news organizations checked their facts before going public. These days they just report what they're told in government and corporate handouts. Someone, somewhere, had given the media prior notice that the building was going to be "pulled". It might have been (probably was) an embargoed press release with a wrong time stamp on it - or the detonations were delayed for technical reasons. In any event it destroys the official NIST narrative.

    If you want 'plausibility" then go ahead and delve deeply into the legal battle over Larry Silverstein's insurance claims and payouts. Building 7 is still regarded as "impact damage" from debris falling from the twin towers and thus a consequence of terrorist attack and not a demolition.

    NIST's explanation remains this:

    Which is senseless given the fact the the building came down in it's own footprint - at freefall speed - because it was, a controlled demolition with explosions being heard by witnesses and recorded on video etc.

    So why all the hullabaloo? My guess is that it was all to do with an insurance fraud. Silverstein collected over $4.6 billion from his insurance company for the WTC 9/11 event that he bought as a 99 year lease just six months earlier for $3.2 billion.

    Business. Don't you just love it.

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    People with low IQ's also believe government propaganda played out daily in the mainstream media. :)
     
  9. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Was about to say exactly what you said.

    The super secret conspiracy that has managed to hide from public perception decided to let in a BBC on-air news reporter. Because nothing says secret conspiracy like telling a news reporter what you're doing.
     
  10. Scott

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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The facts that I've heard are this.

    The centers were built on trusses, not beams, when the planes hit they blew the fireproofing off the trusses and exposed them to the full heat. The trusses were not melted by this but they were weakened and then collapsed. The floor below had been weakened too and couldn't take the extra weight of an entire floor suddenly falling on it. The next floor could certainly not take the weight of three floors and so on down to the bottom. I don't understand why you see that as so impossible, especially when you remember that these buildings were built by something called (I think) the jack-up method. In this type of structure one floor is built on top of another and then jacked up to have another floor built and jacked up off it. The building is erected straight up, and so naturally falls straight down. They are not, conceptually, so much an integrated framework, (like the Empire State) but more a series of boxes all stacked on top of one another. Mind, this gives them greater flexibility and so greater strength in the face of wind, but they are just not meant to have jetliners crash into them.
     
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    Thus, the reason this is in the conspiracy forum.
     
  13. Sly Lampost

    Sly Lampost New Member

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    Don't they have a "daft" forum where posts like this belong? Should have.
     
  14. Scott

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    If anybody doesn't have time to watch the whole section on the towers which starts at the 2:40:20 time mark of this video,...

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M


    ...just watch the summary which starts at the 4:27:48 time mark. It pretty much proves that the towers fell due to controlled demolition.
     
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    I think most people know that there is something wrong with the initial story of 9-11. People don't say anything because they are terrified of our government. They feel all they can do is pray there isn't another terrorist attack.

    Secrets are actually the Truth, embedded by Fear, which is protected by Silence, and when infiltrated, ends up being defended by Lies; and: Most people are paralyzed by fear. Overcome it and you take charge of your life and your world. Mark Hansen
     
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    No.

    Simple minds ignore "conspiracy theories" because simple minds parrot pastor and Fox and nothing else. Humans differ from animals because humans think and ask questions. You don't. You just parrot and self censor...
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clever.
     
  18. supaskip

    supaskip Well-Known Member

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    It is now it's been moved.

    You think that, and started a thread with an article that talks about this and yet you're not suggesting this? That's interesting way to present something. Do you part time as Trump's adviser?

    The truth often have the simplest answer.

    You posted something on a debating forum. You proving your claims is usually how it works. However, you once again take a position without the facts - I have read the "evidence", I have, actually, read this extensively many times over many years. There is still no credible evidence.

    But it WASN'T demolished. Therefore it MUST have been misunderstanding or error.

    Can you cite me some stats and facts on that, or does this comment get filed with the rest?
     
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    tidbit New Member Past Donor

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    Probable cause if there ever was one.
     
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    Conspiracy is also current events
     
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    Or they have a background in aviation and science and are not so gullible.
     
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    The scam was exposed many years ago and continues to be exposed as new information and new professional studies are published by experts in many different disciplines. When I read the comments that follow mainstream 9/11 articles (e.g. the redacted 28 pages which have gone mainstream recently), the majority of these believe the OCT is a massive fraudulent scam.

    This site is just one example that exposes the many contradictions:

    http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/
     
  23. Hoosier8

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    You are using a logical fallacy, appeal to authority, which you claim everyone else is using. So far the only thing that has been kept out of the public's hands is the extent, if at all, of the Saudi government's involvement.
     
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    This is an interesting clip from Fox News reporting the collapse of WTC7 literally seconds before it actually collapsed and the reporters seem to watch it collapse without batting an eyelash as to why they reported its collapse BEFORE it actually did:

    [video=youtube;rHFdcPv3XXI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFdcPv3XXI[/video]

    It's as jaw dropping as it gets.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    The extent to what's been kept out of the public's hand is incredible.

    1. A mountain of evidence that was deliberately destroyed (including the infamous FAA tapes and the CIA torture tapes).

    2. "There is approximately 570 cubic feet of textual records. A large percentage of the Commission's records are national security classified files." - http://www.archives.gov/research/9-11/

    3. In addition to the 28 redacted pages, 27 boxes (approximately 80,000 pages) of documents from the FBI's PENTTBOM "investigation" related to the Saudi connection that the FBI hid from the 9/11 Commission and Congress and lied and told them they gave them everything.

    4. Approximately 2,000 documents/data/evidence that NIST refused to release via FOIA request citing that the release would "jeopardize public safety".

    5. Other unknown material that the public is unaware even exists. (this is admittedly speculation on my part because of all the above FACTS)
     

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