Is the GOP serious enough to run a candidate?

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  1. Karma Mechanic

    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

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    So Rand Paul's PAC has released an attack ad that looks like the mixed between a Tosh.O viewer video and a wrestling promo circa 1976. It simply attacks the President and Senators Graham and Cruz. I don't want to link to it because I don't want to give it any more hits online. You can find it easily trust me. But it looks immature and silly. In the last few days I have seen Senator Paul speaking on TV shows getting his book out there. In these interviews he sounds reasonable and leveled, but then in some context he sounds crazy. How does a crazy ad help him? Will it resonant with young people? I don't know. I think Senator Paul can bring a voice to the GOP nomination that is very much needed but this kind of stuff makes him look ridiculous (in the ad his head is put on the body of a full-ripped body builder type).

    Oh and Donald Trump says he is going to announce in June or at least have a big announcement. (Maybe it will be all the evidence he found in Hawaii). What the hell are they thinking? Do they believe as the right wing noise machine that their voters are idiots?
    I hope not.
     
  2. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A Republican candidate will sound crazy to Democrats and the Democratic candidate will sound crazy to Republicans. According to the latest Quinnipiac poll as of 27 May 2015 Hillary leads him 46-42 nationally. But when it comes to independent voters, Paul leads Hillary 43-38. I think it is interesting to look at how independents view the match ups. The below is just independent voters, no Republicans nor Democrats.

    Hillary vs. Christie 39-36 Hillary
    Hillary vs. Paul 38-43 Paul
    Hillary vs. Huckabee 43-36 Hillary
    Hillary vs. Bush 40-35 Hillary
    Hillary vs. Rubio 39-40 Rubio
    Hillary vs. Walker 39-37 Hillary
    Hillary vs. Cruz 43-35 Hillary
    Hillary vs. Trump 47-32 Hillary

    The above is just independents and independents only.

    There is a long time between the election and today, this could change immensely. But what I am finding is Hillary is very weak among independent voters. 39% of independent voters view her favorably while 51% view her unfavorably. Depending on whom the Republicans choose for their nominee, this could be Hillary's Achilles Heel.
     
  3. Alchemist

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    Interesting will you cite the source for this? I tried to google the stats but couldn't come up with anything.
     
  4. Alchemist

    Alchemist Well-Known Member

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    I like Paul he's forcing conversation in the GOP on subjects they would rather keep in the closet. Between him and Cruz republican debates will be popcorn worthy. I'm ecstatic, I really can't wait for this circus show to begin, I've booked front row tickets and plan on a good show.
     
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    The only good candidate for me will be one who respects the American system and the constitution, and since that will not happen, there will be no good candidate.
     
  6. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure, if you go inside the poll you will have a whole lot of questions and answers and breakdowns.

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...y-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2228

    I keep a lot of polls that deal with elections as forecasting them is a hobby of mine. Very few people delve inside the polls to see what they really are saying or the breakdown. I follow the breakdown of independents very closely. It is said they are the ones who decide elections. But they are a finicky bunch, they change their ideas and views on a dime whereas Republicans and Democrats are entrenched and they will not change more than a point or two, even over a long time.

    Go through the poll slowly, it asked 60 questions and the breakdown of the answers received can be very enlightening. It also shows you how people answered the same question sometimes going back years and how things, ideas, views has changed.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem with the two major party candidates is they only respect and heed those corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests groups etc who give them their millions, tens of millions of dollars for their election runs.

    Elections today are all about money and what is owed those who donated, gave, that money. It is not about ideas, solutions, visions, just about money. After all money is speech and those with the money has the most speech, the loudest mouths and they drown out everyone else.
     
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    I think that Paul is really targeting younger voters. This is a good strategy for him. He's not his dad, though, by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    And let's not forget at this stage of the game these polls are more about name recognition then anything else.
     
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    Republicans - the party of family and moral "values"
     
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    To a certain extent, yes. But not all. I think when one looks at independents, the name either brings a favorable or unfavorable impression. Hillary has been in the news a lot lately plus being a known commodity, her favorable/unfavorable ratings will change slowly. The others can change quite quickly.

    I didn't post their favorable/unfavorable ratings, but with Hillary being well known adding both sides of that rating she comes out to 96%, that leaves very little wiggle room. For the others they vary from only 30% with the rest yet to make up their mind to 80% with Bush and Christie with only 20% left to make up their minds. Both Bush and Christie is below the water line much line Hillary.
     
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    The selection process is just getting under way now. I have a feeling that no matter who they choose, you will disapprove.

    That's ok though. You can stick with the party which is not actually selecting any candidate, but anointing one because it's her turn.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I do believe they have a large factor of elections they are the biggest voting block. Is it that they change their minds often or we don't really have a firm grasp on their view point?
     
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    Perhaps both or it might be on most issues Republicans and Democrats point of view and stances on issues are pretty much set in stone, at least in wet cement. Independents are far more fluid. Independents also do not pay that close of attention to the inner workings of Washington and politics in general. Although that does not mean they do not care. For the most part independent are disgusted with the workings of Washington and the two major parties.


    Without writing a paper on them, I will leave them at that. Only I will add that independents need to be broken down into three groups. 1 those than lean Republican 2. those that lean Democrat 3. Pure/true independents. But here again the movement of independents between those 3 groups or categories are once again very fluid and dynamic.
     
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    attack ads and "morality"



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    you can always count on having Republicans resort to hate and lies in their ads and every day politics
     

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