ISIS plans to send US back to the Middle Ages with an EMP attack

ISIS plans to send US back to the Middle Ages with an EMP attack

Watch the video here.

http://www.blackoutusa.com/vsl/index.php

Or read the transcript here.

An excerpt:

http://www.blackoutusa.com/vsl/index.php

An EMP attack would make ISIS just as powerful as the USA, militarily.

Or even MORE so because THEY already live without much of the technology we rely on.

To remove our electricity and to fry all of our electronic gadgets would put us at a disadvantage when it comes to warfare and survival.

No one is doing anything about this.

No one is talking about this.

Don't say you weren't warned.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/iran-endorses-nuclear-emp-attack-on-united-states/article/2561733

A part this doubt, the reaction in both cases is simple:

They haven't got the technology to conduct such an attack. Period.

 

Yeah I don't see how they could pull this off.

The Russians and Chinese could do it, and North Korea and Iran would like to, but those nations aren't anywhere near able to pull something like that off.

However maybe in 20 years or so, they could. That would certainly mean an abrupt end to the United States as we know it. On the other hand, in 20 years we may already be irrelevant enough that death to America is just an afterthought.

 

CyberStorm is a fun book. The movie rights have already been optioned.

 

Yes, who can say? In 20 years the geopolitical context could be the same or it could be totally different, in that case Iran could decide to ignore the United States of America and use an EMP attack against ... India, China ...

In any case, there is also the possibility that technology advances increasing the rate of survival to an EMP.

Already today we've got something:

for example the "Ovonic Threshold Device" [Energy Conversion Devices of Troy], it can work properly in case of EMP.
Furthermore I guess that the military and political commands and centers have their devices protected by something similar to a Faraday box.
[BTW, modern cars are good Faraday boxes, and we know that in case a lightning hits a car nothing happens ... the same for an EMP if you follow some survival suggestions like these:http://www.survivopedia.com/best-emp-bug-out-vehicles/].

So, let's not be too afraid of an EMP, we are getting ready ....

 

Doesn't an EMP require detonating a nuclear weapon high in the atmosphere above the target? When did ISIS acquire dozens of ICBMs? A suitcase bomb taking out a city would be the real thing I'd be concerned about.

 

I'm not sure "we" are getting ready. I've no doubt military and government command and control will survive, however the crews and parts to repair the entire national electrical grid would take years. That's years without electricity for some communities.

 

An even better reason to change the way our power grid is set up. Make areas smaller focus and local power generation through privately owned solar cells, wind generators etc. It would greatly reduce the range of effect of an EMP attack by isolating areas from each other.

 

Summary of thread. The video in the OP is nothing but propaganda. Not worth listening to or worrying about.

 

LOL. If you believe ANYTHING that starts with "fellow patriot" and mentions "one weird professor" (who, no doubt has a "weird trick" and "ISIS hates this guy"), then I've got a cure for cancer to sell you that THEY don't want you to know about.

On a more serious note, ever hear of the inverse square law?

 

I am so glad I have my automatic, Natural Gas powered
electric generator attached to the side of my home.

When Black Outs occur, I have the only lite home in the n'hood.


Moi

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Remember when they blew their grid and
took out the American North East?​

 

This is true and it's also true that with terrorism the nuclear deterrent of a possible devastating retaliation doesn't work properly.

Thinking well, just a terror organization could think to such an attack against a great nuclear power like the US. American retaliation would be tremendous and devastating. If Iran causes an EMP on the Easter Coast, the counterattack would be lethal for that regime. A Terror attack has got no father and if it's not possible to prove that this or that country has aided the terrorists ... a direct counterattack would be quite difficult to organize ... who do you attack? Scattered groups of terrorists all around Middle East? That would be the problem. As we well know the War on Terror is in progress since more than a decade ago.

Anyway, as underlined, they haven't got the technology to make it. So ...

P.S. Generally a successful EMP would generate a social disaster, our modern world is based on electricity and we are not prepared for an alternative. After some days without communication and illumination [eh yes, this would be a tragedy ... even who has got a generator will run out of gas in some days and candles will finish in a while: back to dark houses and streets ... Middle Ages!].

 

Both NK, Iran and others are able to do an EMP attack today. All it would take is a ship off shore for Iran and a A bomb, they have a rocket that would place a warhead far enough above the earth to cause a EMP. For north Korea they could launch from their homeland ie Eight Nations Now Building ICBM Nuclear Missiles - SpaceWar www.spacewar.com /Eight_Nations_Now_Building_ICBM_Nuclear_Missiles_999.html
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However, "the United States demonstrated a very reliable capability .

So never say never.

reva

 

Fear mongering to help out the defense contractors. It requires a nuke, and a rocket, to pull off such an attack. And since we armed ISIS, we will not give them the nuke, nor the rocket needed.

Just more bull(*)(*)(*)(*), for I guess americans still have too many constitutional rights, and someone wants us to lose more using fear as they always do, in order to pull it off.

 

For Iran if they ever get a nuke or NK to pull off such an attack would turn either one into a radioactive hell. Neither one are suicidal.

I heard a CIA guy once say on you tube, an ex cia guy, that will all of the satellites trained on Iran, we would know in real time if they ever put a missile on a launch pad, and we would know if it was a nuke as a payload. IF such a thing were to be launched by iran, before it could hit its target, iran would be no more. I believe that, and Iran knows that.

 

I think an EMP as they're saying would take that out too. It has computerized controls, no doubt

However, I think the risk of an EMP is overstated at best. They're fairly easy to shield against (if you've ever been in a building where your cell phone doesn't work that's a Faraday cage, and that's supposed to be what is used as shielding for EMP) and many things are purposely shielded already. Also it's temporary, is it not?

Wiki says that Bill Nye did a video for some military people on how it really works. Significantly, (maybe) it's not available to the public.

 

No One has the technology to produce anything but a very localized EMP in the first place. The United States is a very large place and has assets worldwide, there is absolutely no chance (0) that an EMP attack would destroy our capabilities....and retribution on the attempt would remove most of the middle east from doing anything ever again.

 

True, MAD doesn't work against terrorists, or even nation-states in which the the national leadership is not "rational." I think particularly in the case of North Korea and Iran, it's really unclear to me if they had the capabilities to pull something like that off, whether they would think it's worth the retaliation that would follow. Or, if they thought they could hide their fingerprints well enough to avoid retaliation. An ICBM launched from a particular nation-state would be rather easy to fingerprint, but from anywhere else? There would always be questions... Still, massive retaliation might be the last First World response the US would have to play, and there might be many nations that would think that's worth the cost, to bring the US to a third world level.

Although if an attack were thorough enough it could be a new middle ages. In that context, I wonder who would fare better, the US or Europe?

 

Possible in theory, but to actually pull that off there are big odds against. Every single ship at sea is tracked. I doubt an Iranian or North Korean ship big enough to contain a launcher, crew, and nuke, even one that is false flagged, could get close enough to the US without being challenged. And I have my doubts that they have the capability to build such a sea launched nuke. Also, we have anti missile defense. We don't have coverage from the south, but such a ship strolling into the Caribbean would attract attention.

Also, to devastate the entire country, the bomb would have to go over at an extremely high altitude over the center of the country. More likely they could take out one of the coasts. That would be devastating and millions would die, but most of the country would escape major damage and could rebuild.

So I'm still of a mind that right now, only the Russians and Chinese could pull this off, but this technology will spread so eventually there will be many other nations that would have the technical and industrial ability to do it. Of course, there are steps we could take to harden our power infrastructure, but I think politicians would rather poor billions into trains that will be made obsolete by self driving vehicles rather than the unsexy and non vote attracting job of protecting the country.

 

Making an EMP device may be beyond your and my ability, but it isn't beyond the capability of ISIS. Though twisted, ideologically and religiously, they DO have clever followers and lots and lots of money.

Here. See how easy it is?

And as for the rocket, it needn't be all that sophisticated, either.

Just one which can go up about 20 miles high (from the POV of rocket science this would be child's play) and launched from a nearby offshore barge, cargo ship or anywhere inside the Continental USA.

 

How many of you doubt the accuracy or veracity of National Geographic?

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/doomsday-preppers/articles/the-threat-of-emp/

 

"Note: HEMP is an acronym for high-altitude nuclear electromagnetic pulse.

Appendix From Oak Ridge National Laboratories/Metatech EMP Report

E1 HEMP Myths

Much of the literature on HEMP is either classified or not easily accessible. Probably because of this, some of what is openly available tends to vary in accuracy -- some, especially from the Internet, has major inaccuracies. Some discussions of HEMP have the right words and concepts, but do not quite have them put together right, or have inaccurate interpretations. Here we will discuss some common misunderstandings.

HEMP has also appeared in some movies, and there are on-line discussions about possible errors in their depiction of HEMP. Here we will be concerned with E1 HEMP, and ignore misunderstandings about other types of EMP.

Extremists: Some general emphasis of comments fall into either "the world as we know it will come to an end" if there is a high altitude nuclear burst, or the other extreme: "it's not a big deal, nothing much will happen". Since we really have never had a nuclear burst over anything like our current modern infrastructure, no one really knows for sure what would happen, but both extremes are not very believable.

Yield: There appears to be an assumption that yield is important -- it is not for E1. The assumption that E1 is an issue only for cold war type situations, but not for terrorists or rogue nations, is false. Very big bombs might have better area coverage of high fields by going to higher burst heights, but for peak fields the burst yield is only a very minor consideration.

1962 experience: Some point to the Starfish event, and the rather minor HEMP effects produced at Hawaii by it. However, there are many problems with extrapolating that experience:

1. That was about half a century ago. Since then the use of electronics has increased greatly, and the type of sensitive electronics we currently use did not really exist back then.

2. The burst was fairly far away from Hawaii, and the incident E1 HEMP was much less than worse case.

3. The island is small -- if over the continental U.S., long transmission lines would be exposed (especially an issue for late-time HEMP). In addition, widely separated substations would have been exposed, although with electromechanical relays (not solid state).

Also the yield argument has been used -- Starfish was a very big weapon, yet it did very little -- see the previous item, yield is not really very significant.

Cars dying: Some say that all vehicles traveling will come to a halt, with all modern vehicles damaged because of their use of modern electronics (and one movie even had a bulk, non-electronic part dying). Most likely there will be some vehicles affected, but probably just a small fraction of them (although this could create traffic jams in large cities). A car does not have very long cabling to act as antennas, and there is some protection from metallic construction. As non-metallic materials are used more and more in the future to decrease weight and increase fuel efficiency, this advantage may disappear.

Wristwatch dying: One movie critic pointed out that electronics in a helicopter were affected, but not the star's electronic watch. A watch is much too small for HEMP to affect it.

Electrons present: One critic, with some awareness of the generation process, said that HEMP could not be present unless there were also energetic electrons present. This is true when one is within the source region, which exists for all types of EMP -- there are energetic electrons present. However for the HEMP, the radiation and energetic electrons are present at altitudes of 20 to 40 km, not at the ground.

Turn equipment off: There is truth to this recommendation (if there were a way to know that a burst was about to happen). Equipment is more vulnerable if it is operating, because some failure modes involving E1 HEMP trigger the system's energy to damage itself. However, damage can also happen, but not as easily, to systems that are turned off.

Maximum conductor length: There is a suggestion that equipment will be OK if all connected conductors are less than a specific length. Certainly shorter lengths are generally better, but there is no magic length value, with shorter always being better and longer not. Coupling is much too complex for such a blanket statement -- instead it should be "the shorter the better, in general". (There can be exceptions, such as resonance effects, which depend on line lengths.)

Stay away from metal: There is a recommendation to be some distance away from any metal when a HEMP event occurs (assuming there was warning), because very high voltages could be generated. Metal can collect E1 HEMP energy, and easily generate high voltages. However, the "skin effect" (a term not really derived from the skin of humans or any other animal) means that if a human were touching a large "antenna" during an E1 HEMP event, any current flow would not penetrate into the body. Generally E1 HEMP is considered harmless for human bodies."

More can be found here:
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/EMP-myths.html

 

What good would solar cells, wind generators and etc. be if all of our electronic devices were permanently fried in an instant, with no warning, from an EMP (man made or natural)?

 

People like you were probably employed by Kings and Dictators of yore, who feared food poisoning, to act as taste testers.

Those who are SMARTER than you appear to be are likely to be employed as test pilots.

Those MORE PATRIOTIC AND SMARTER than you likely become military special ops members.

But as you appear neither smart nor patriotic we can only guess you are a Darwin Award wanna-be.

When foolish bravura leads to the predictable injury and death of people like you as you try to prove your imprudent theories by taking risks most would not, the rest of us are made wiser and safer.

Thank you.

 

You wait that the EMP has passed and they you switch them on ...