Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

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  1. Izzy

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    'WE ARE READY'

    'Iran launches war games with 200 attack helicopters & missiles as Israel tensions rage & US warships gather in Med'

    'Fears continue to mount that Iran-backed militias are preparing to unite'

    'IRAN has staged massive war games with 200 helicopters and missile launchers as tensions rage over Israel.

    Tanks, aircraft and troops were deployed by the Islamic Republic for the exercise dubbed "Authority 1402".

    It comes as unprecedented tensions rage in the Middle East - with fears Iran could join the war raging between Israel and Hamas.

    Commander-in-Chief of the Iranian Army Abdolrahim Mousavi said "we are always ready to deal with threats", reported Iranian state media.

    Iran is feared to potentially intervene - either directly or via its proxy terror groups such as Hezbollah.Tehran's military launched the drills - including using upgraded versions of their domestically-made missiles, Dawn and Diamond.

    They also tested new bombs as well as attack helicopters.'

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    https://www.the-sun.com/news/9440417/iran-launches-war-games-amid-israel-tensions/

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  3. georgephillip

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    The Legacy Speaks:

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/2279116/middle-east

    "MIAMI: The US-brokered Abraham Accords signed in 2020 between Israel and several Arab neighbors under then-president Donald Trump have shown that there is 'no such thing as permanent enemies,' Jared Kushner said on Friday."
     
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    "peace deals" between countries that were never at war. lol

    "Speaking at the FII Priority conference in Miami, the former senior Trump adviser said the peace deals were hugely important for the stability of the Middle East.
     
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    President Abbas has stated that Israel is permanent. This is not news.

    Hamas has ceded to the Abbas government, agreeing that negotiation is the only direction - except that Netanyahu successfully prevented that.
     
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    Hamas would never agree to recognize Israel.
     
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    Those accords had nothing to do with Palestine.

    It was a deal between Israel, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and Bahrain, focused on trade.
     
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    Hamas nearly got overtaken by the unity government of President Abbas.

    And, that was by the choice of Hamas.

    The reason that failed is that Netanyahu refused to allow it to happen, using key pressure points to block that solution.
     
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    Kind of hard to negotiate a permanent end to hostilities with an opponent (Hamas) that doesn't even concede your right to exist and is publicly committed to expelling your entire population from all the territory you occupy. What Hamas wants is a temporary ceasefire so it can negotiate an exchange of hostages along with any other benefits it can extract from the Israeli's. After that, from it's perspective it's back to business as usual with the pre-war status quo in place. That's not going to happen this time though, especially since Netanyahu whose popularity was tanking before the Hamas offensive is being held accountable for letting it happen. Now he's desperately playing the 'hard man' in order to regain political capital.

    But as (as always). Not my circus, not my monkeys.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    Gaza and West Bank comprise Palestine, a state recognized by the UN and a large number of other nations who have diplomatic relations.

    Gaza has long held that the government of President Abbas is the negotiating body for a resolution to the Israeli war against Palestine.

    It IS our circus as we've long chosen sides and have refused that there be negotiations. Instead, we send military aid to Israel and promise to provide whatever they need. Also, we block the UN, vetoing the various measures it attempts, blocks its various branches and other countries from making any moves on a resolution.

    Our direction is to ensure the continuation of Israeli atrocities in West Bank and Gaza.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe the Palestinians should stop saying "no" to peace offers.
     
  13. Monash

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    1) Yes the UN recognizes Palestine. But that's all anyone ever does 'recognize' it!

    2) Who is this 'we' your talking about Kemsahbe? I refuse to support or have anything to do with either side. Basically getting involved in trying to solve the problem at this late stage amounts to banging your head against a wall and ends up with the same result.

    Hell even giving money to charity to try and help innocent civilian's is a waste of time since aid cant even get it. Call me when something changes. I won't hold my breath.
     
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  14. Pisa

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    What key pressure points did Netanyahu use to prevent a unity government following the Mecca Agreement?
     
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    That's interesting:
     
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    They ceded since the attack? They want to stage a massive attack, and then have some other group negotiate a ceasefire? That's outrageous on its face.
     
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    It is our problem. These tactics will be used against the world.

    The dynamic here is:

    Aircraft hijacking = world shocked = almost immediate political impact of UN granting PLO observer status = sky terror, a problem hitherto unknown rapidly accelerates

    Suicide bombs in Madrid, and elsewhere in Europe = world shocked = immediate political impact of first Spain, and then others withdrawal of troops from Iraq = acceleration of suicide bombing tactic, hitherto a largely unknown tactic outside of the previous few years in Israel

    Now, a new tactic, livestreamed carnage = world shock (apparently exhilaration for some) = unknown political impact.

    If Hamas is successful in getting the world to speak for it, it will not lead to peace for anyone in the world. On the contrary, expect a rapid acceleration of the livestreamed carnage tactic...
     
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    Arafat has been dead for a long time now.

    How long should Palestinians pay for that?
     
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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushners-post-white-house-211939446.html

    "Just months after leaving the White House in 2021, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a Saudi crown prince-led fund, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the deal."

    Kushner was convinced Israel's "Palestinian Problem" could be safely ignored; guess not?
     
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    Abbas refused Olmert's peace plan, that would've given Palestinians everything they ask for now, back in 2008.
     
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    So there. Time long and call out the terrorism the Jewish state stands for.
     
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    Abbas says he was not allowed to study the map that Olmert proposed.

    Also, Olmert says the proposal would call for Israel being in control of the Israeli settlements in West Bank. That's not a tenable solution, I believe, because settlements can't stay static simply due to natural population increase and the violence between settlers and Palestinians can't be adjudicated as international incidents. Travel by settlers, even to other settlements, would be international travel. Issues of water and other resources would also be international in nature.

    Olmert showed Abbas a map and then took it away, pressing Abbas to sign it that day.

    Abbas said he was willing to consider land swaps - which is, of course, complicated and not reviewable by Abbas looking at a map during one day. This plan of Olmert's would need to be sold to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza. Having Abbas tell them that he "saw a map" is ridiculous.

    Calling that a negotiation is ludicrous, outside of comparison to the decades of unwillingness to talk.

    Plus, at that time Olmert was prosecuted for various crimes and lost his government, as I remember.
     
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    Focused on trade contingent on normalization between Israel, Palestine, and Arab states:

    https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/assessing-the-abraham-accords-three-years-on/

    "But now, approaching the three-year anniversary of the Abraham Accords—which codified normalization between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain on September 15, 2020, and later between Israel and Morocco and Sudan—it is worth assessing what exactly the impact of these agreements has been.

    "Have these accords achieved peace and stability between signatory countries?

    "Have they isolated regional threats and minimized Iranian, Russian, or Chinese intervention?

    "Have they facilitated any significant progress on Israeli-Palestinian negotiations?"
     
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    Huh?
     
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    The Israeli response to the unity government of Abbas was to direct Netanyahu to impose additional sanctions on the Palestinian Authority on the grounds that it included Hamas.

    However, the unity government included NO ministers of any political party, thus excluding Hamas as well as Rami Hamdallah. Also, the unity government would be administrative within Palestine, reserving negotiations and international relations to the PLO.

    https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-hamas-palestinian-government-20140602-story.html

    Netanyahu used such weapons as denying governmental travel between Gaza and West Bank, withholding taxes that Israel collects in the name of Palestine and other such moves that in the end made the unity government impossible. Abbas pointed out that the unity government could not manage Gaza if they were not even allowed to GO THERE.
     

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