Some argue that Israel is a democracy, arab Israelis state that Israel has a democracy for Zionists. Some claim Israel to be a progressive State , others that its government and policies are fascist . Some maintain that Zionism is a benign movement for a jewish homeland, others that it is a brutal doctrine of ethnic cleansing. One thing for sure though- according to this index if you want to read both sides of any argument then the pariah State ain't the place to so do. Of course, there are pockets of press freedom in Israel. It's to these that we turn in order to discover the meretricious aspects of the neoZionist government, its fascist plans and its corruption. Bravo to them. They dare to print what US of AIPAC newspapers dare not. They dare to say what US of AIPAC politicians fear to say. End this hold over Washington by a foreign power. Israel isn't what you thought it was. Kick your Congressman's arse today.
Now you tell the forum who Fayad Amir Ahmadi is, Edwin. I'll offer information on Reporters Without Borders.
You're not going to tell the forum who it is that you are quoting ? Who is your Fayad Amir Ahmadi, Edwin ?
facts are facts. Are you disputing the scientific industry figures? the patent ratios? the dismal record of arab industry?
No, not at all. I noticed that there are two entries for Israel - territorial ranked 92 and extra territorial (including territories) ranked 133. http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2011-2012,1043.html I also noticed that the questionnaire contains a number of subjective questions http://en.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/criteria_for_compiling_the_2011-2012_press_freedom_index.pdf I also noticed that Reporters without borders clearly states "The index should in no way be taken as an indication of the quality of the media in the countries concerned." http://en.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/how_the_2011-2012_index_was_compiled.pdf
Yes, that clearly relates to the material that the Israeli public actually gets to see- after press freedoms have been curtailed. Were you attempting to obscure that or did it really pass you by ? Didn't you have the same sort of problem with the 'translation ' of Meshal's Gaza speech ?
I reside in Israel. You, not so much. There is complete freedom of the press, including Israeli media that criticize Israel
Your personal details, phantasmagorical or otherwise, are of no interest. The few progressive elements of the Israeli press were already acknowledged in the opening post. Your claim of ' complete freedom of the press ' in Israel has just been shredded by Reporters Without Borders.
I live in Israel. You, no. There is total freedom of the press in Israel. Israel is more a democracy than the US. Washington Post: Israel's Example NO ONE would say that Israel is soft on terrorism, which makes it all the more fascinating that a country that essentially lives under siege provides so many legal accommodations to those it detains as unlawful combatants. It's a stark contrast to the Bush administration's approach and one the administration may be able to learn from. In Israel, even noncitizens captured outside the country and designated unlawful combatants are entitled to due process in Israeli civilian courts. They are guaranteed judicial review of their detention within 14 days of capture. They are guaranteed the services of a lawyer no later than 34 days after capture. And they are guaranteed a review of their detention by an Israeli district court judge every six months thereafter. If an unlawful combatant is captured in the occupied territories of the West Bank, the case proceeds through Israeli military courts, with similar guarantees of judicial review and legal representation. The Israeli system is not without critics. Advocates of civil liberties there point to procedures that allow a judge to review evidence introduced by the government that the defense has not seen or been allowed to rebut. And detainee advocates, such as the Israeli group HaMoked, suggest that the government enjoys an overwhelming advantage, as evidenced by the relatively few detentions that have been forbidden by judges. According to its Web site, the group challenged 142 detentions in 2004; 11 of those challenges prevailed. Nothing in the Israeli system prevents a lengthy and potentially indefinite detention of an enemy combatant. But unlike the state of play in the United States, the Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that these combatants can be held only so long as the state can prove they are an imminent danger. If the state fails to make that case, the detainees must be released. According to the Israeli law professors, these safeguards have not clogged the nation's courts -- or prevented Israeli security forces from defending the country. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/03/AR2007090301085.html
No, there is not ' total freedom of the press in Israel' We are told this by Reporters without Borders. Didn't you attempt to demean the integrity of that organisation elsewhere ?
Your interpretation is warped and faulty... I would have been the first to copy you if any smidgen of your continuous trolling against Israel was warranted... Then again, who are these reporters without borders but a bunch of cooperators with Hamas and Hizballah... Instead of declaring them <persona non grata> Israel democracy allows these deranged six graders to roam the country... but where do they congregate with their cheap cameras... in the Arab villages... you must have seen them on the clip with the little blond Arab girl pushing the Israeli soldiers exacting no reaction from their part. I would have collared these <little loud mouths scums> and put them in prison until their parents come to free them and explain their behavior... Reporters without frontiers wow give me a break.
I am in AWE! How much of that knowledge is stolen from the US? We often read about Israeli spies in the American system. Not only that, the US and other countries pay for everything. But, it shouldn't matter... they are very clever indeed. They have to be in a sea of enemies around them. Considering what they went through I would have thought they would totally abstain from violence and promote good neighborhood relationships and be an example in doing good, as the rest of the world would expect from God's chosen people... and not the other way around. That is unfortunate and a missed opportunity, not only for Israel, but for the rest of the darkened world. We all long for a beacon of light. But again, I understand how hard that would be. Sorry, I'm a little philosophical today.
Yes, Haaretz is one of those criticizing newspapers. But then... how come the rest of the world is not allowed to criticize Israel? Whoever does gets hit over the head with the antisemitism club. The way we discuss Israel and the Zionist Regime here on the forum, you never could nor would dare to do in Canada or Germany.
Here is a good example of the Israeli judicial system: Mahmoud, a Palestinian football player, was arrested out of the blue at a checkpoint on his way to practice in the West Bank. He had proper papers and all. A short excerpt of his lengthy ordeal: Mahmoud standing by the recently bombed football stadium. Please, everyone, read his story of degradation and torture. http://freegazascotland.wordpress.com/ It is so hard to care about Israel!
You are proudly bragging about Israel's accomplishments. Nobody really knows how many zillions of dollars they have gotten from poorer countries than themselves. If I had a rich uncle somewhere who would give me tons of money and luxury goods, I, too, could brag and laugh over my poor neighbors. Being rich without my own effort is truly for the cat... it is without real worth. And who knows how the uncle got to be so rich??? Why don't you mention the steady destruction of Palestinian facilities and agricultural land? Sudan blames Israeli air-strike for the destruction of their munitions factory. Where else are they destroying countries' buildings and infrastructure? Syria, Lebanon, Iran.... It is not amusing!
Hello Miss Moon, Most Israeli Arabs enjoy and mammals milk & honey from the State of Israel. Keep sending air bubbles... - - - Updated - - - Hello Miss Moon, Most Israeli Arabs enjoy and mammals milk & honey from the State of Israel. Keep sending air bubbles...
Well, let's see: B]COLOR="#0000FF"]We all know Arab life isn't much treasured by Israel.[/COLOR][/B] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8165338.stm So, Miss MGB Roadster, you still think it is all milk and honey for the Israeli Arabs in Israel? Your assessment is a bit too rosy, me thinks. But, admittedly, they are better off than their relatives in the Gaza Strip and the scattered communities of the West Bank. I'm glad you compelled me to research this area of Palestinian life. One day Israel will be as good as Canada in treating their citizens, no matter what nationality, race or creed they are.
