Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. pitbull

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    This was made even worse by Zionism. :(

    Zionism was created by European Jews who had no idea about the conditions in Palestine. Zionism is an extreme right-wing ideology of Jewish supremacy. "Israel's" existence started with massacres and expulsion of Palestinian Arabs (Nakba), the root cause of today's Middle East conflict.

    As long as Israel exists the violence won't stop. The ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip, which the Zionists are currently carrying out, will not improve anything. :(
     
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    more nonsense. as long as Islamists want to kill Jews, violence won't stop. what Israel has to do is to eliminate those Islamists who wont' stop trying to kill Israelis
     
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    Ok, list 10 mob attacks which occurred between 1700 and 1800.
     
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    Is "apartheid" the right word to describe Israel's effective control of Palestine?

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/location...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

    "In March, (2022) the UN Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in the OPT determined that the 'political system of entrenched rule' in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip 'satisfies the prevailing evidentiary standard for the existence of apartheid'.

    "In November, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing reached the same conclusion in relation to Israel’s policies of home demolitions.

    "Some states, including South Africa, condemned Israeli apartheid, echoing statements by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organizations. Despite this growing recognition, Israel continued to enjoy impunity thanks to the support of its key allies."
     
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    What does it say about a society when a public statement of truth is seen by large parts of a society as being 'nonsense'?
     
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    many people are stupid. look at our president
     
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    Do you mean the imposter installed by special interests?

    Your conclusion that many people are stupid is of course valid, but I would use the word 'credulous' instead of 'stupid'.
     
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    low wattage, easily lead bots
     
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    Bill Casey had it right back in 1981: when everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    Nonsense. Violence against Jews long predated Zionism. And the "Nakba" was merely the bad outcome (for Palestinians) of their failed attacks on Israelis, who had accepted the UN partition plan.
     
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    This is just a quick look. Not to mention numerous other episodes elsewhere in the Arab world.

    1720
    Arab creditors set fire to an Ashkenazi synagogue, fed up with debts. Ashkenazic Jews are banned from Jerusalem along with anyone who looks like an Ashkenazi Jew. Some Ashkenazim dressed up like Sephardic Jews in order to fool the authorities.[163]

    1834
    The 1834 looting of Safed was a month-long attack on the Jewish population of Safed by local Arab and Druze villagers. It was full of large scale looting, as well as the killing and raping of Jews and the destruction of many homes and synagogues. Before the attacks Jews made up over 50% of the population, but many of them fled to nearby cities which reduced their presence drastically.

    1838
    The 1838 Druze attack on Safed was a plunder of the Jewish community of Safed by the local Druze during the Druze revolt.

    1840
    The Damascus affair: false blood libel accusations cause arrests and atrocities, culminating in the seizure of 63 Jewish children and attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East.
     
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    Is "apartheid" the right word to describe Israel's effective control of Palestine?
    First we have to define what "apartheid" is.

    We know that "apartheid" was a political system in South Africa.
    For sure there is not "apartheid" in proper Israel – in Israel there are no segregate schools, segregate movie cinemas, segregate beaches, segregate hospitals and more. In Israel you have Arab judges who can sentence Jews (Israeli president was sentenced to jail by an Arab judge), you have Arabs who served on Israeli Supreme Court and more.

    If the “apartheid” the right word to describe Israel's control of the West Bank?
    The West Bank is not Israel, it is occupied territory, it is under the military rule. Arabs who don’t have Israeli citizenship have different rights than Israeli citizens, and this rule applies to all world – illegal immigrants or any people without proper citizenship in the US, England, or Europe have different rights than citizens.

    So the question is:
    When France occupied Algiers or Vietnam – why nobody called France an “apartheid”? After seeing what Chine is doing with Uyghur’s – why nobody is calling China an “apartheid”?

    We know how Russia is treating Ukrainians in occupied territories - why nobody is calling China an “apartheid”?

    Recently Azerbaijan occupied Nagorno-Karabakh resulting of exodus of more than 100 thousands Armenians - why nobody is calling Azerbaijan an “apartheid”?

    My answer is – if ‘gay’ was defined as something bad – UN and Amnesty International would call Israel ‘a gay country’.
     
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    I think we have different opinions about whom to blame, because we have different philosophy about the life and responsibility.
    I think if today someone smokes cigarettes and gets cancer – he cannot blame tobacco industry, it is his/her own fault. I will not accept explanations that the smoker was to stupid not know.

    If a drunken person gets involve in a car accident - I will not accept explanations that the drunk driver was too stupid not know that alcohol can cause accident.

    If some terror organization attacks Israel, kills civilians, rapes women, kidnaps women, old people and children - I will not accept explanations terrorist were too stupid not know that the reprisal for a such attack will be very heavy.

    If Qatar, UN or European countries send money to Hamas - I will not accept explanations that Qatar, UN or European countries are too stupid not know that Hamas will use this money first of all to buy arms, and only if there are some leftover, they will use it for food, medicine, clean water and economic development.

    Are there some Israeli settlers who dream about beach houses in Gaza? Of course – we have in Israel people with Hamas mentality – these people dream about beach houses in Gaza, the same as Hamas dream about expelling/killing Jews from proper Israel.
     
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    Fake information! Zionism is ideology about creation a Jewish state, the same as Ukraine wanted its own state, or Algerians wanted they own state etc. UN decided to split Palestine into Jewish and Arabs states - Jews accepted, Palestinians refused, Arabs countries attacked Israel and lost the war. After 6 Days War Israel asked for peace in exchange for conquered territories - and the Arab response was The Three Noes of Khartoum - no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution

    Later Rabin and Olmert tried to make Two State Solution, and Hamas response were suicide bombers in Israeli buses and restaurants:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

    On Oct 7 Hamas attacked Israel, killed about 1200 people, mostly civilians, raped Israeli woman, kidnapped woman, kids and old people and Palestinians complain that Israel responded to this vicious attack.
    I don't think stupidity is a valid excuse.
     
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    The Haganah was created because Palestinians were growing increasingly violent in the years leading up to WWII. The Arab Mufti of Jerusalem who was the leader of the Palestinians, Amin Al-Husseini, was fond of the Third Reich and Adolf Eichmann. By the time Germany took over Poland, the Nazis were in North Africa and fears of an invasion by Rommel was on everyone’s mind. Al-Husseini tried to create Arab SS Divisions in Germany to bring to Israel to take over the lands that were purchased by Jews. Fortunately for the Jews he would have murdered, Hitler didn’t like Arabs either.

    There was a boat of Jewish refugees in the Mediterranean who could not find safe harbour anywhere so it ended up in Palestine Mandate. Thirty something countries met to decide what to do and they couldn’t come up with anything. No one wanted to help the Jews. The British withdrew support for a Jewish homeland because they worried about the Arab world aligning with the Nazis as a result of their shared hatred of Jews.
     
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    And they accepted the creation of Jordan as an arab state carved out of the Palestinian mandate.
     
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    November 29, 1947. The U.N. declares the partition plan and Israel declares independence
    The next day, Palestinians begin blowing up buildings and car bombs in Jerusalem and elsewhere.
    By March 1948 the violence has been escalating so the British authorized the Dalet Plan, the enforcement of the boundaries set up by the U.N. Israeli forces begin trying to scare Palestinians out of Israeli territory. The Palestinians respond by killing Israelis. The violence escalates.
    The British withdraw on May 14, 1948. On May 15, 1948, the Arab nations, Egypt, TransJordan, Syria and Iraq invaded.
     
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    One in a hundred period - not even a real example of mob violence.

    So your assertion is full of ****.
     
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    Where and when.
     
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    The British never authorized that plan - the plan was purely Israeli.
     
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    Everyone should read your link...unfreakingbelievable!

    "The Right of Return" law welcomes Jewish pedophiles,.
    I've read many articles in recent years how Israel protects Jewish pedophiles who flee there.
    Israel with one of the bestest security surveillance systems in the world can't catch a hopping pedo?
    More like they don't want to along with the US Orthodox and Israeli communities who protect them.


    "Two years after he fled the U.S., Karow was convicted by an Israeli court of child molestation in a separate case. He served time and was released. Now another alleged Israeli victim has come forward, saying he began abusing her when she was 5-years-old, and continued for years.

    Karow has successfully evaded authorities by moving between communities in Israel for almost two decades, and he is not alone.'

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
     
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    The first casualties after the adoption of Resolution 181(II) were passengers on a Jewish bus near Kfar Sirkin on 30 November, after an eight-man gang from Jaffa ambushed the bus killing five and wounding others. Half an hour later they ambushed a second bus, southbound from Hadera, killing two more, and shots were fired at Jewish buses in Jerusalem and Haifa.[20][23] This was stated to be a retaliation for the Shubaki family assassination, the killing of five Palestinian Arabs by Lehi near Herzliya, ten days' prior to the incident.[24][25][26]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–1948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine

    I haven’t had a chance to go through the sources yet.
     
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    'Plan Dalet: Blueprint for the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine'

    Conclusion of article:

    • In his memoirs, which were censored by the Israeli military but leaked to The New York Times in 1979, the late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin recalled a conversation he had in July 1948 with Ben-Gurion, when Rabin was an officer in the Israeli army, regarding the fate of more than 50,000 Palestinian residents of the cities of Lydda and Ramleh.

    • Rabin wrote:"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. [Yigal] Allon repeated his question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Rabin added, "I agreed that it was essential to drive the inhabitants out."



    https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
     
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    Yeah I heard that wrong. I guess the name gives it away too.

    ‘I’m actually surprised at how opposed to the Zionists the British had become by 1948. I guess that hotel bombing didn’t go over well with them.
     
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