Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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    Votes in the UN General Assembly are meaningless.
     
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    Here is an example of the contorted logic of Professor Finklestein.

    — War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/cB9oeiZ
     
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    Votes in the UN General Assembly are nothing more than public opinion polls. The mean nothing.

    Az Professor Dershowitz explained - in WWII Germany killed (murdered) millions of Jews. British and American bombing of the German industrial city of Dresden where ~25,000 people died. Both of these occurrences are tragic. Both of these occurrences are different. Both are representative of Gaza. Jrws are being murdered and Israel is defending its citizens.
     
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    I suggested: if a theory contradicts reality we throw away the theory and not the reality.
    You decided to throw away reality and to believe in your theory– so now I can show you were reality contradicts your theory:

    Many civilian Gaza causalities were done by Hamas, here is the proof:
    Palestinians bombed Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital killing about 500 Palestinians:
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/midd...ensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/us/politics/intel-rocket-gaza-hospital-blast.html

    Hamas prevented civilians to leave buildings which Israel warned are used by Hamas, which for sure caused many civilian causalities:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-g...reventing-evacuations-thousands-return-north/

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/is...to-evacuate-to-the-south-T9TX4p5KHl930OHJDyfp

    Hamas forces encourages Palestinian children to die from the hands of Israeli soldiers:


    Hamas is orthodox Islam organization and allows rape of their captives:
    https://counteringislamism.wordpress.com/rape/#slaves

    Hamas does not want peace with Israel:


    Hamas does not want to protects civilians, they want only to protects themselves:


    Hamas is stealing supplies which were directed to civilian population:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/world/middleeast/palestine-gazans-hamas-food.html

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...arian-supplies-dwindle-in-gaza-report-edited/



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ealing-food-vital-aid-desperate-families.html

    Yes, you theories about the history and the war in Gaza are very encouraging, but don't you think you should compare them with reality?
     
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    Faith based narratives ignore reality.
     
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    UN Resolutions are more than Public Opinion polls but, agree that the Public and UN Opinion is overwhelmingly against the Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes against Humanity being done in Gaza .. Similar to how Nazi's treated Jews in the Ghetto's as As Professor Dershowitz explains.


    Jews are being Murdered because of Israel's actions in Gaza if Israel stopped ... Hezbolla would stop attacking .. as would the Houthi's

    Israel claiming to be defending its citizens by indiscriminately killing thousands of babies .. collective Punishment for the actions of another .. a violation of the Rule of Law - can be done by any nation state against anyone claiming same reason and thus is nonsense but, be that as it may - changes not the fact that Israel is engaging in Ethnic Cleansing .. and serious war crimes .. many now going as far as "Genocide" .. "From the River to the Sea" - like was done to the Amalekite and Yes .. Bibi actually referenced that analogy .. which in retrospect was a really dumb thing to do as signal's intent should he ever visit the Hague .. a place the good UN Delegates from Ireland said was too good for him .. harsh words.
     
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    The UNGA vote on the PLO is meaningless as I have explained.

    All the deaths in Gaza are the responsibility of Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of the Palestinian residents of Gaza just as the Nazi’s were the ememy of the Geeman people and the Emperor and his military class were the enemies of the Japanese people. The best thing for the Palestinian residents of Gaza is the complete destruction of Hamas by Israel just ad was the case when the WWII allies completely destroyed the Nazi’s and Japanese military. The result was the creation of the very successful democracies of Germany and Japan.


    — War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/7AIqHRJ


    — War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/8a5dfQD
     
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    The UN vote is not meaningless .. as I have explained.. and the Deaths in Gaza are the responsibility of those doing the killing .. those done by Hamas the responsibility of Hamas ... Those by Israel .. the responsibility of Israel.

    Someone has been pulling your chain if they telling you Hamas is responsible for the Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes against humanity being done by Israel .. sorry friend .. as the UN Delegate from Ireland said .. the Hague too good for Bibi .. he guilty of them crimes ..not Hamas.. They each guilty of their own crimes as per the Rule of Law ..and Laws of War .. Collective Punishment is a crime .. don't get to blame the other side for that War Crime .. so sorry to say.
     
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    The only ethnic cleansing going on is being done by Hamas, Hezbullah, and Iran who funds both of those terrorist organizations. They are responsible for the deaths of both Israeli and Gazan civilians just as the Nazi’s and the emperor of Japan were responsible for all the civilian deaths in WWII.

    Who cares what the Irish delegate to the UN said? It’s meaningless as are any opinion votes from the UN General Assembly. What do you claim are the consequences of any UNGA vote??

    Israel is the only democratic government who has ever been condemned for defending the lives of their citizens. Israel has gone over and above to warn Gazan civilians to evacuate areas where Hamas is launching rockets. There are large unpopulated areas where Hamas could launch rockets from but they locate the launch sites in civilian neighborhoods forcing Gazan civilians to remain as human shields. The only way for a two state solution to be implemented is for Hamas to be completely eliminated. And if there is collateral damage it is justified because of the future benefits to both Gazan and Israeli civilians. This is the lesson of WWII.

    The overriding rule of law is that sovereign countries are absolutely entitled to defend themselves. And the corollary to that is that a country’s citizens are of first priority. Israel stands in front of its civilians to protect them. Hamas stands behind the citizens of Gaza and uses them as shields. Israel cares about its citizens while Hamas does not care for Gazan citizens.

    Hamas employs the “dead baby” tactic. They fire rockets at Israeli neighborhoods, Israel responds to the locations where the rockets were fired from which are populated by human shields resulting in casualties, and then CNN reports on the killing of innocents by Israel and blames Israel for crimes against humanity. It’s ridiculous and untruthful but it works as your post confirms.

    The best thing that can happen to Gaza is the elimination of Hamas regardless of the cost of human shields.
     
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    You have no response or arguments with regard to Dershowitz’s discussion that I posted above. Why not? The truth won’t go away by ignoring it. Perhaps you realize that what Dershowitz writes is true (and it is) and you have no argument to challenge Dershowitz’s fact based claims.
     
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    Israel and its apologists like to pretend the ethnic cleansing happening in Gaza is a defense against Hamas "terrorism" while ignoring the Jewish terror inflicted daily on the West Bank where Hamas does not exist:

    "Amid ongoing attacks on Gaza, Israeli forces attacked ten cities across the occupied West Bank, breaking into homes, seizing 2.7 million dollars from businesses, and killing one Palestinian"

    https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/oper...9&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation
    • "21,110+ killed* and at least 55,243 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
    • 313 Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
    • Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,405 to 1,139.
    • 501 Israeli soldiers killed since October 7, and at least 1,952 injured."
     
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    Yes .. for anyone who bothers to watch Amy Goodman - Democracy now's daily 15 min youtube segment Pogroms against the Palestinians in the Occupied West Bank Apartheid land were going on regularly in the lead up to Oct 7 .. almost daily acts of terror ..if not by the Settlers backed by the Israeli State .. the State itself

    Gaza is just a fine opportunity to ramp up the Pogroms, expedite the Ethnic Cleansing of the Land .. from the River to the Sea .. as was done with the Amalek and Lord Bibi will Cleanse the Peoples Land as per Deut 32:43 Oh Yes Brother GP .. we quote Scripture in this program :)
     
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    You have not presented any of Dershowitz's arguments ? You on the other hand were given a Piers Morgan segment to watch where Dershowitz argument is crushed by Norman Finklestein's facts.

    What is this fact based argument you are claiming for Dershowitz .. the one we supposedly have no response for .. this argument that apologizes for Ethnic Cleansing - Crimes against Humanity - and Collective Punishment of Palestinian Children for the acts of others.

    The claim that Hamas is responsible for the deaths due to Israel ramping up of the Ethnic Cleansing Program is not part of "The facts" .. the fact is that the Ethnic Cleansing .. war crimes .. crimes against humanity have occurred and continue ... the claims of responsibility are does not change these facts .. that Dershowitz or anyone else would claim Hamas is responsible with strait face .. is ridiculous as this assignment would violate the rule of law .. legalize collective punishment .. something that is clearly and currently illegal under international law.

    I have always liked Dr. D .. but, the "Hamas responsible" argument is a joke .. should he have even made such argument forthright .. which he did not actually do that you have shown. although I have heard other Pundits try to float this fallacious fluff.
     
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    No occupation: no rapes on October 7th.

    It's foolish to claim no rapes took place on October 7th; any and all individuals who perpetrated such acts deserve prosecution.

    It's equally foolish to rely on testimony that a witness saw a gang rape is evidence Hamas ordered its fighters to carry out such crimes:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/screams-without-words-hamas-weaponized-191206172.html

    "Night after night, Gal Abdush’s mother, Eti Bracha, lies in bed with the boys until they drift off. A few weeks ago, she said she tried to quietly leave their bedroom when the younger boy stopped her.

    "'Grandma,' he said, 'I want to ask you a question.'

    "'Honey,' she said, 'you can ask anything.'

    "'Grandma, how did mom die?'"

    She died for the same reason 21,110 Palestinian men, women, children, and infants have died since October 7th: Israel's 75 year-long campaign of ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/oper...9&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation
     
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    Look upthread. I have replied to your video.
     
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    All deaths in Gaza and the area in general are the result of of Arab aggression and the rightful response of Israel to defend itself. Israel is the only democratic nation to be condemned for defending itself. The only way for peace to be achieved in Gaza is the complete destruction of Hamas. This is the lesson of WWII.

    Mom probably died being used as a human shield by Hamas who are the enemy of both Israelis and Gazan civilians.
     
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    DemocracyNow has been covering the slow-motion genocide in Palestine for decades:

    https://www.democracynow.org/2023/12/28/headlines

    "Israel’s military has launched its most intense raids in the occupied West Bank since Israel began its assault on the Gaza Strip following Hamas’s attack on October 7.

    "Overnight, Israeli forces raided 10 cities, including Ramallah, where at least one Palestinian was shot and killed and 15 others wounded during confrontations with Israeli soldiers.

    "The Palestine Monetary Authority says Israeli troops targeted at least six money exchange companies, seizing over $2 million worth of funds.

    "Meanwhile, disturbing details are emerging about an Israeli drone strike on the Nur Shams refugee camp that killed six Palestinians.

    "The head of the Tulkarem Medical Syndicate reports Israeli soldiers stopped and boarded ambulances carrying people injured in the bombing.

    "One patient was reportedly stabbed in the neck, while two others were removed from ambulances and severely beaten."
     
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    Hamas sowed the wind and now reaps the whirlwind.
     
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    Those who say "La ilaha illa ALLAH" (there's no god but God) as their final words are granted Paradise for sure.
    Shahada - Wikipedia
    A few words that can be spoken even if you're too weak to move your lips.
    This is a sign of God's infinite mercy. :)

    (1) muslim daily on X: "The final moments of a wounded Palestinian resistance fighter. He realises his time is coming to an end, so he raised the shahada finger and prostrates to Allah before his soul leaves his body. https://t.co/e8RO6r1wdB" / X (twitter.com)
     
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    Why do you think that? Do you believe that Zionists always are the good guys?
     
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    A day in the life of the average Palestinian has included Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing for 7 decades .. Agreed
    Its not Hamas reaping what it sows that is the War Crime .. Crime against humanity .. .. it is the collective punishment of the Palestinians for the crimes of Hamas that is the problem Jack. It is the indiscriminate slaughter of children who had nothing to do with Hamas .. for the crimes of Hamas, that is illegal under international Law Jack .. this is why the whole world is united in its condemnation of Israel .. Sans boot-lick Biden .. the Dog being wagged by the tail if that is a better analogy.
     
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