It’s official, Biden is trying to start WWIII

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  1. Joe knows

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    Supporting article

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...-estimated-345-million-weapons-package-taiwan

    I am a fan of the efforts in Ukraine because they were attacked and we also signed an agreement to help them if ever attacked by a nuclear capable country in the 80’s. However this move doesn’t have bad ethics but it has horrible timing. It’s as if Biden is trying to push Russia and china over the edge. This is completely moronic.
     
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    Sounds more like speculation than official.

    We have been aiding Taiwan since the 1950s
     
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    Russia and China will go over the edge on their own. Think of a smarter Hitler or perhaps Stalin when you are thinking of Xi. They are all soulmates so far as their mentality and goals are concerned. Putin is about as smart as Mussolini and has armed forces to match. The wild cards are North Korea and Iran. They would drop a nuclear weapon in a minute if they thought they would be surviving in the end with world turned into a radio active cinder.
     
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    It's the weapons industry, and top brass of the military promising yet again,
    for the zillionth time, that if we go to war it will all work out fine.
     
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    If we go to war with both china and Russia it will not all work out fine.
     
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    This is also the first time the “aid” has come from existing US military stockpiles. This makes it look more like a military asset transfer rather than aid.
     
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    Call it anything you want. In the 1960s we had WW2 military assets (bombs) and we dumped them in Vietnam.

    Why do you say this is the first time?
     
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    I dunno what the **** this government's stance on Taiwan is. Blinken just met with China and parrotted all their positions regarding Taiwan.
     
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    The US govt stance is that Taiwan is rightfully part of mainland China
    (the 'One China' policy) but if mainland China attempts to physically
    integrate with Taiwan then we will go to war.
     
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    You must be speaking inaccurately, when you say that you think Biden wants to start World War 3-- or is that the title of the FOX article? You seem to mean that you think Biden's actions will lead to conflict, unintentionally, due to their being ill-conceived, poorly-timed, or reckless-- yes? I wonder if you had the same concerns, when President Trump was rattling nuclear sabers, with Kim Jong Un.

    As for Taiwan, I have a somewhat mixed opinion. But to keep most strictly, and simply, to the contention of your OP: the timing of our additional aid to Taiwan (as well as our Ukrainian aid) have both been determined by the aggressor countries, Russia & China. Were you unaware, that China has upped its menacing of Taiwan, of late? Or that Xi Jingping, has ordered his military to be ready for a Taiwan invasion, by 2027? All Biden is doing, is reacting, in the most reasonable way.

    While I have felt that our attempt to come to Taiwan's aid, in the case of an invasion attempt, would be futile, and had strongly doubted we would even try-- that picture changes, if Taiwan can build up more substantial defense capabilities, of its own. In fact, the better prepared the Taiwanese, the less of our direct intercession, they would require; so I see this assistance, now, as a good thing, and as actually reducing the chances of a direct, superpower conflict.
     
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    No, if China wanted to invade and take over Taiwan then by us starting to train and equip Taiwan,
    then China would invade as soon as possible to have the best chance of rapid success.
     
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    Not the title, read it if you want to actually reply
     
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    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    Does this make sense to you?

    - we recognize that the PRC is the recognized government of China.
    - we recognize that Taiwan is part of China.
    - we do not recognize China's sovereignty over Taiwan...Even though it's the one legit government of China...and Taiwan is part of China.

    lol. The one china policy is just a muddy statement of which there is no commitment to either Taiwan or China's position. It's essentially a troll job, kicking the can down the road.
     
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    It doesn't make logical sense, but US foreign military policy never does, what it does do is make financial sense to the weapons makers.
     
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    As already stated: by order of Xi, they are preparing as quickly as they can, to be ready for a full scale invasion, in 3 1/2 years. If you think China would be ready any sooner than that, I think you overestimate China's military prowess.
     
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    yep, so Republicans need to elect someone that is in China's pocket right.... that be Trump
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    our military is making a gamble for sure, we will see if you or they are right

    future hindsight will know for sure...
     
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    I do not think China wants their own Ukraine, yes, they would eventually win, but is the cost worth it (and not just financial costs)
     
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    1) I did read your OP.

    2) The part of my reply you quote, was
    no part of my opinion, on the issue-- it concerned only your own, personal manner of presenting the issue. *If you want to have an intelligent conversation with me, or a grown-up conversation with anyone-- learn to distinguish between those two things.

    3) Your source-- FOX News-- is not particularly trustworthy, for either its accuracy, or its objective presentation of facts.

    4) The tiny snip you'd used, though, was a sufficient, general basis, for my general argument and position.

    IOW, if my not reading the FOX article had left some noticable hole in my argument, you could point to that hole, in your recommending my consultation of it (other than my asking what had been the piece's title-- which is not very relevant to the overall story, only toward judging your own use of distortion, and hyperbole).

    5) Your implying that the WW 3 part, was your personal idea, fully answers my question.
     
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    The US doesn't want WW3, the US just wants another war the weapons makers can make big money from.

    Joe Bidden is an angry SOB, angry about nearly everything including that he isn't the actual president, but just the actual vice president.
    (and Camel Hair knows she has no responsibilities).

    No doubt Joe wants WW3 but I don't think he'll get it.
     
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    Nice cover up bud. When you can read the OP without making assumptions of an article you didn’t read come talk
     
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    Don't you wish you had a clue what you were talking about?
     
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    We didn't elect China Joe. Although I'm sure he appreciates all their money.
     
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