It all began before the Civil War

Point well taken...My son went to private schools,best thing I ever did for him.....

 

I agree it's the parents, but the entire educational attainment level in those areas has been raised over the last 40-50 years, thanks to the fed. That doesn't mean that the areas haven't peaked or that more money needs to be spent. Same with a lot of inner city areas.

 

What I find astonishing, is that our temporal and secular and civic morals are clearly enumerated in documents that have been ordained and established as supreme laws of our several States and Union; but we have not in even our modern times, secured the Blessings of Liberty, even though it no longer requires rocket science to accomplish and we have already sent a man to the moon and brought him back.

 

I answered all of of the 1880 questions not sure if I got everyone of them correctly though. I know a fourteen yr old who could answer all those. He is home schooled though. I went to a private school for a while. I suppose it doesn't count then. Very informative and makes a good point.

 

Contrary to most beliefs,the Feds can't educate anyone.It starts with the parents.When I was 6, I could read and write,and do math.In the fifth grade,I read 127 books in the school year.When my son was growing up he got books for his Birthday and Christmas as well! NO TV! During school nights....Most kids can't read a test,so how can do well taking it?Communication is paramount.And it all starts in the home.

 

The post was very well said

I will keep my reply short and concise....if I recall John D. Dewey was a leading proponent in the birth of our american school/indoctorination system

Dewey was an claimed too be a fervant socialist with the underlying issue of the design to be implementing a doctrine of incrementalism while their minds. Are most impressionable hence forth too start in while their young

 

The delegated power to fix Standards for the Union is clearly and specifically enumerated in Article 1, Section 8.

 

If that is so why do we need state governments then

Shouldn't we just have one government period too make rule and be done with it.

 

To make Standards for the several States, in their severalty.

From my understanding, our Founding Fathers enumerated our republican form of government, for the separation of powers.

 

Yes yes I agree insofar as too issues between the states a minimal amount of regs
for so called streamlining of duly functions

Henceforth too why which is government in schools too begin with tht is a turnabout
From the 20th century

why did the country wait almost 200 yrs. Too get government into schools
if it had sole authority from the preset
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The public sector was involved in education when Capitalism failed to achieve a better literacy rate for any electorate of the United States.

 

The migration of masses too public/urban environment coincided with the industrial revolution
too which traditional the agrarian society of previous america was home schooled an
self taught.

Tho I still find no mention for the expressly enumerated authorities
to delve into such a local issue

The compact of the federal government was too be a overseer not a micro manager

Albeit the underlying principles of constitution if it isn't said it doesn't exist

The scope of power was too bring more power too it. that still doesnt
give the general govt the carte blanche authority too do as it pleases

The anti-federalist an federalist paper are a wealth of info
and it will show how all but madison showed how they ideas where
supposable limited until the document was signed

And the flipp flopping cameabout especially from hamilton
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Capitalism has never failed at any task government interventionism is always
the key offense of some supposed tragedy of the freemarket

The socio-economical and socio-demographics where in a monumental shift from the
industrial revolution and the people themselves couldn't duly educate there own offsprins

The market didn't fail its was the parents who failed
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The power to fix Standards for the Union is clearly enumerated.

 

I agree to disagree that capitalism was successful during our Great Depression when public sector intervention in private sector markets advanced the cause of education and literacy from third world rates to first world rates.

 

Our wasteful War on Drugs is one example where Socialism has done what Capitalism could never do for a profit.

 

Capitalism has zero too do with why the great depression happened
governments an central banking where the cause of the great depression

And insofar what happened with the 21st. Amendment being passed too which the reward for bootleg alcohol
wasn't their no more so the people who benefited moved onto other trades
that would reward the risk of their endeavor

Samething with narcotics. They are more plentiful then ever cheaper then ever
and record amounts of funding has done absolutely zero too curb
any factor in the business

Wow wait it has secured one business the business of big government too maintain
another failed bureacracy with its 100 % failure too stop illegal drugs

This is where making something illegal has netted the most ingenious ways too supply
the demand of the customers

People aren't going too stop using drugs just like nobody stopped drinking. During prohibition
all it didn't was make a blackmarket which was very profitable an successful in its duties

And as for the education that is a parents duty not societies

And as for the hole idea of fixed standards
that onlyapplies too a very limited scope of duties not everything under the sun likeyour claiming
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The public sector usually only responds to social dilemmas as they arise. The market conditions must have warranted the public sector intervention which finally ended the Great Depression.

Fixing Standards for the Union is a clearly delegated power.

From my understanding, our federal Congress is only delegated the power to Tax, to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.

 

The most misunderstood and misued words outta the constitution

The idea of general welfare was intended for the states not
for the general welfare of someone or some program as we

Americans in 2012 understand welfare.

It was a directive too maintain the institution of the federal government

Not go off on any ol spending binge too help every single person

And as too the fix standards I will agree

Tho the powers the have been given expressed area too bee administer
is very very limited

It isn't an open ended clause too let the national govt run wild

Samething with all the clauses people most legal paid liars

Have taken them outta context and bastardized their

Original intent an scope of power and its been repeated

Ever since Alexander hamillton said the US had the authority

Too start a central bank, and then the commerce clause

And the necessary an proper clause

And the take care clause

I think you get the picture by now

 

Well if you have I will save my types if you haven't

Oh boy are you in store for a real treat

The moral of the story is when government intervenes like it did during the fdr depression it makes the situation was worse an more prolonged

Which is why you never hear about the 1920 depression which by all accounts statistically worse than FDRs great depression...a little homework if you like too read


Anyway they public sector can give it can only take it is part of the government
And as we know the government has nothing of its own it produces

It merely takes with the threat of a gun or the knowledge
that if you don't do as they say someone with a gun will show up an make your comply

Coercion forced particapation like if social security is so great why is it not voluntary
because if it was it wood have decades ago like it should and like it will in the future

The result of people not educating their own children isn't societies fault it is the fault of. The parents

Seemed how this country got along pretty good homeschooling before the public sector ever got involved

And those who didn't willingly participate well they suffered financial and yes physically too by the kinds of work they had too do

Tho the industrial revolution made the population explosion in this country possible
without the jobs. Too do their would have been no money for food so

In essence I think we can prolly owe our own existence too the industrial revolution in some roundabout way

Oh yes an let's not forget oil that was the next huge key factor in the puzzle
as too making this world great an if it ain't great now

Get rid of everything you have that's made from oil production and then I will start too listen too what you have too say

 

From my understanding, our federal Congress is only delegated the power to Tax, to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.

I agree to disagree that the terms, "to raise money for the general welfare" do not mean what they say.

Our federal Constitution is the only Constitution available to persons in the federal districts; the rest of the citizenry of the several States have their own State Constitutions to consider.

 

I only agree to the extent our understanding modern economics was less than it is now in modern times.

However, I am not sure how you reached any conclusion that the socialism or outright communism of public sector intervention in private capital markets, is not what ended the Great Depression.

 

Well truthbe told I do enjoy this exchange of ideas without insults good. Too see an read

Although off from that sidenote do you find anything peculiar about how the great depression ended

Also read Madisons notes from the Constitutional Convention

If we go with this notion that the general welfare clause gives full authority too the general government their would be absolutely no need for the 9th & 10th amendments

Why? Because if they have the power too take care of the general being of every person than what is the need for state government

Like I said the clauses are mere directives on the parameters of the expressed defined powers

The open ended power your talking about isn't what. The enumerated powers are about
it merely a another layer of government too decide a few things between states

And deal with protecting the states from invasion put simply

I can assure you they founding generation never insured that. The general welfare clause
would be meant to be used for unbridled ,open-ended, unlimited power grabs

And spending on every hang nailed disinfranchised person in the respective boundries of the United States and too save them souls from any ill will or harmful existence

 

They don't teach this in schools because by the time Harding was gonna intervene and start in with central planning like so many people love about FDR

Welp the Depression was over and things had begun too heal themselves

I don't understand how people can't see. FDRs Death and the End of the Great Depression as nothing but clear cut evidence

The depression ended when he ended good reason cause truman didn't do the same socialist/communist policies that FDR did

Truman pulled back on Government and its spending and magically the economy resumed business as usual

Another good read is about the Great Depression of 1946.....the keynesian economist were convinced that with the war over if government didn't continue on massive spending. And public works projects

The next Depression was for certain seems the experts got that one wrong also

 

The most particular thing I noted about the how Great Depression was corrected for, was via Socialism or outright Communism via public sector intervention in private sector markets; because capitalism had no profit motive.

The power to legislate, "in all Cases", in the federal districts is what gives our federal Congress the power you attribute to the general welfare clause.