It Always Starts with the Jews.

Strange hue the ADL is suspiciously quiet about all of the anti semitism in college campi

 

Antisemitism on Campus

'Jewish college students are facing soaring levels of antisemitism and marginalization. ADL is working proactively to address the historic rise in antisemitic activity and to help Jewish students and allies feel safe on campus.'

https://www.adl.org/antisemitism-campus

https://www.adl.org › resources › report › schooled-hate-anti-semitism-campus
Schooled in Hate: Anti-Semitism on Campus | ADL
'The ADL Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents has tracked anti-Semitic acts on college campuses since 1984. In this time, reported incidents have increased from the 1984 low of 4 to a high of 143 in 1994. Such incidents include, for example, vandalism of Jewish student offices and other property, personal'

1. https://extremismterms.adl.org › resources › report › audit-antisemitic-incidents-2023
   Audit of Antisemitic Incidents 2023 | Center on Extremism
   Apr 16, 2024The post-October 7 spike in antisemitic incidents was particularly acute on college and university campuses. ADL recorded 732 campus-based antisemitic incidents (of the 922 annual total) between October 7 and the end of 2023 alone. This was a staggering 1,062% higher than the same two-month period in 2022, when ADL recorded only 63 incidents.
2. https://notoleranceforantisemitism.adl.org › students
   Student Actions | No Tolerance for Antisemitism
   Celebrate Jewish Joy through Shabbat. At a time of rising antisemitism on campus, ADL is working with Jewish Life campus organizations on a nationwide initiative encouraging college students to celebrate Jewish joy through Shabbat. Shabbat is a time to slow down, listen and reflect. Since October 7, this tradition has been needed more than ever ...
3. https://extremismterms.adl.org › campus-antisemitism-report-card › faqs
   Campus Antisemitism Report Card FAQs | Center on Extremism
   ADL's Campus Antisemitism Report Card is a tool for students, parents, alumni, college faculty, guidance counselors, admissions consultants and other stakeholders. Our goal is to serve students and their families looking for information about the current state of antisemitism on campus and how particular universities and colleges are responding.
4. https://www.adl.org › resources › letter › open-letter-campus-presidents-zero-tolerance-antisemitism
   An Open Letter to Campus Presidents: Zero Tolerance for Antisemitism - ADL
   Dec 21, 2023In 2024, commit to zero tolerance for antisemitism. Climate on Campus Since October 7. ADL has been tracking antisemitic incidents - including incidents of vandalism, harassment and assault - since 1979. According to our data, antisemitic incidents have been on the rise for years, reaching record highs in 2022.
5. https://extremismterms.adl.org › resources › tools-and-strategies › how-can-i-be-prepared-antisemitic-and-anti-israel-bias-campus
   How Can I Be Prepared for Antisemitic and Anti-Israel Bias on Campus ...
   Oct 12, 2022For information on anti-Israel activity on campus, see ADL's report: The Anti-Israel Movement on ... I believe it is critically important to state explicitly and unequivocally that anti-Semitism in all of its forms is a profound betrayal of our principles and has no place at the university. ... Anti-Defamation League. 605 Third Avenue. New ...
6. https://www.cnn.com › 2024 › 04 › 11 › business › adl-antisemitism-report-card › index.html
   ADL gives Harvard and a dozen other universities failing grades on ...
   Apr 11, 2024The Anti-Defamation League has graded 85 American universities for their policies to protect Jewish students from antisemitism on campus. It gave Harvard and 12 other schools an "F." Just two ...
7. https://nynj.adl.org › news › adl-colleges-are-failing-to-fight-antisemitism-on-college-campuses
   Anti-Defamation League | ADL: Colleges are Failing to Fight ...
   Apr 11, 2024New Report Card shows most schools still not doing the basics to protect Jewish students . New York, NY, April 11, 2024 … Today, ADL (the Anti-Defamation League) released its first Campus Antisemitism Report Card assessing incidents, Jewish life on campus and university policies and administrative actions related to combatting antisemitism and protecting Jewish students.

They don't seem that silent.

 

Your hatred of black folk is obsessive and pathetic

 

Re:

Are you serious?

The only way that the Palestinian people will ever stop suffering is if genocidal miscreants like Netanyahu, Gallant, Dickter and their bloodthirsty ilk are hung and the parasitic welfare state of Israel is cut off until it abides by International Law.

Israel's greedy and militant "Settlers" already have redrawn the maps of Gaza for their beachfront Settlements because land thieves from Brooklyn and Russia feel they have more of a "right" to Gaza if not "Greater Israel" than the people who have lived there for centuries.

All the proof you need that Israel's right wing expansionists will never stop murdering innocent Palestinians and stealing their land is to look at how the West Bank Palestinians continue to suffer at the hands of murdering criminals who kill with impunity. (2)

I don't believe that the average Israeli is any better or worse than any other world citizen but I know of no other society that suffers from such a profound sense of entitlement.
They feel entitled to:

- $ Trillions from the US,

- Countless $ Billions form Germans who were not even alive during the Holocaust

- All of former Palestine

- Endless pity and cash for a "Jews Only" Holocaust (as if no one else suffered during WW 2


Zionists, not Jews, have been tormenting Palestine's native population since their invasion of Palestine in the 1930s and 1940s.

What makes you think they'll stop stealing from and tormenting the residents of Gaza when West Bank Palestinians who did nothing on 7 October 2023 were murdered with impunity?

Thanks,


(1). "Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815

EXCEPTS "Opinion polls suggest that most Israelis oppose resettling Gaza, and it is not government policy, but since the Hamas attacks on 7 October it is being talked about out loud - by some of the loudest and most extreme voices in Israel's government.

I put it to her that her comments sound like a plan for ethnic cleansing. She does not deny it.

"You can call it ethnic cleansing. I repeat again, the Arabs do not want, normal Arabs do not want to live in Gaza. If you want to call it cleansing, if you want to call it apartheid, you choose your definition. I choose the way to protect the state of Israel. " CONTINUED



(2). "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/israel-west-bank-palestinians-settlers-violence.html

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED

 

Of course I am serious - any person who know that:
1. The war in Gaza on Oct 7 started Hamas committing genocide, murdering 1200 Israelis, raping Israeli women and kidnapping men, women and children.

2. From 2005 there were no Israeli soldiers in Gaza, in 2006 Gaza people in free election elected party who wrote in it chapter that they will never make peace with Israel and they aim is to destroy Israel and to create Muslim Caliphate where women, gays, lesbians, atheist and apostates will be free according to Sharia Law.
In the original chapter from 1988 we can read:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Unfortunately the the newest chapter from 2017 removed this part of Gharkad tree, so now Jews are not sure which tree they need to plant in order to prevent genocide:
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

3. Hamas thinks that price Gaza people pays for Oct 7 genocide was excellent price and promised to repeat this transaction more times:


4. Most Palestinians support Oct 7 genocide:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

I think now it is obvious that if Hamas release hostages and leave Gaza Palestinian people will stop suffering, unless you claim that Hamas are Israeli settlers in disguise who committed genocide of Jews in order to blame innocent Palestinian people.

Again - instead of serious discussion you post fake news and what most extremist Israelis said, I told you that I can do exactly the same, it looks you wants me to do it - OK, lets do it.

First the false information you posted:
"$ Trillions from the US" - it is a lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–United_States_relations
"up to February 2022, the US had provided Israel US$150 billion (non-inflation-adjusted) in assistance"

""Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000" - it is a lie. Palestinians killed more settlers that settlers killed Palestinians. Every time a settler kills Palestinian he is accused in Israeli, every time Palestinian kills any Israeli and is killed by Israel or put in Israeli, he or his family receive financial reword from Palestinians authority.
The main difference between Palestinians and Israelis:
When Jewish settlers kills civilian Palestinians - they are considered criminals and prosecuted, when Palestinians kill Israeli civilians, they are considered a freedom fighters and receive PA awards:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
Example:
On 12 June 2014, the three Israeli teenagers were abducted and murdered by Hamas members Marwan Qawasmeh and Amer Abu Aisha. Both Hamas members were found by Israel and killed during an attempt to arrest them. Hamas paid thousands of shekels as reword to families of killed Hamas members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gush_Etzion_kidnapping_and_murder
As the revenge of the killings of Israeli teenagers on 2 July a 16-year-old Palestinian boy Mohammed Abu Khdeir, was abducted and killed by 3 Israelis. Israelis were caught and sentenced - one minors was given life imprisonment, the other was sentenced to serve 21 years, the adult who organized the kidnapping was sentenced to life in prison and an additional 20 years.
The victim Mohammed Abu Khdeir was recognized by Israel as a victim of terrorism, a move which entitled the family to financial compensation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gush_Etzion_kidnapping_and_murder

You wrote "Zionists, not Jews, have been tormenting Palestine's native population since their invasion of Palestine in the 1930s and 1940s." - this is a copy of Nazi propaganda - during WWII Nazi claimed they are killing only Jewish partisans and not Jew, now Palestinians copied this Nazi propaganda, for them every Jews in Israel in 'Zionist', so they kidnapped even 9 moths 'Zionist' - Kfir Bibas,
This is the picture of this dangerous Zionist:
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/231129155601-02-israeli-hostage-kfir-bibas.jpg

And you do want most extreme statement conquest? So here some Palestinian statements:
What UNRWA schools in Jeruslem are teaching:
https://twitter.com/LernerIsaak/status/1712138760354456054

Peaceful Palestinians:
https://www.memri.org/reports/pa-tv-broadcasts-call-killing-jews-and-americans

https://twitter.com/i/status/1769905823529271349

I have more such statements, but I have to go, I will publish it later.

 

Report it.

'If you were or are currently being excluded from public spaces at your university campus because you are Jewish, support Israel, or are otherwise not accepted by SJP security, please consider filing a Title VI complaint.'

https://justice.gov/crt/file/1057996/dl?inline

 

My original question was:
"Isn't one of the so called "lessons of the Holocaust" supposed to be against apathy when there is a genocide taking place..."

A more recent survey shows that the majority of Americans oppose Israel's current Gaza genocide.(1)

Ever since more and more people started condemning Israel's genocide, our pro Israel MSM has been flooded with hyperbolic Holocaust fodder as a emotional smokescreen for distracting the world from the systematic extermination of Gaza's native residents.

I've followed Middle Eastern events closely for over 60 years and spent 10 - 11 month walking and hitch-hiking throughout the region.
Never before have I seen this level of outrage at any previous Israeli war crime or atrocity.
Maybe this time enough loyal Americans can finally compel its politicians to act in everyone's best interest and cut all aid to the murderous Netanyahu regime.

As the few uncensored images of Gaza's deliberately imposed starvation, mutilation, mass murder and destruction squeeze past Zionist media moguls, it becomes more and more obvious that the best use of America's glut of Holocaust theme parks is to crate them up and dump them on the Knesset steps where their "lessons" are most needed.

Enough is enough.

Thanks,




(1). "The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"
https://truthout.org/articles/the-m...disapprove-of-israels-genocide-polling-finds/

EXCERPT "New polling finds that the majority of the American public now say that they disapprove of Israel’s genocidal siege of Gaza. Approval of the assault has plummeted over the course of a few months as Israel slaughtered at least 33,000 Palestinians and continues its destruction of Gaza with impunity.

According to a Gallup survey conducted last month, 55 percent of Americans say that they disapprove of Israel’s “military action” in Gaza — up from a minority of 45 percent in a November Gallup poll." CONTINUED

 

Do that. Be comfortable in the delusion that Wikipedia is always accurate and always truthful.

 

To be clear sir, I support Jewish Voice For Peace. I greatly admire Jews like Glenn Greenwald, Jill Stein, Russ Feingold, Daniel Ellsberg and countless others including the Jewish doctor who performed open heart surgery on me. Greenwald is very outspoken regarding the harm done to the US by the Israeli state.

 

More important than being "always accurate and always truthful"....

....Wikipedia is dominated by Israel's army of paid Hasbara trolls:


1. "Wikipedia Editing Courses Launched by Zionist Propaganda Machine"




2. "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

EXCERPT "Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."CONTINUED


Thanks,

 

Yes. Americans are very opposed to Gazan's war crimes and desire to commit genocide against the Jews.



I looked through your posts on this panel immediately after the 10/7/23 rape and massacre of young Jewish women during the invasion of Israel by Gaza, and I found no expressions of outrage, no demands that Gaza cease deliberately targeting raping and murdering innocent young Jewish Women, no demands that Gaza surrender and release the hostages to stop the war.

In fact, you seemed to immediately indicate that Israel was behind the slaughter to "set up the Gazans".

Most normal human beings you cannot set up to rape and murder innocent young women and slash the throats of infants. They simply won't do it, under any circumstances. Gazans reveled in it, bragged about it, joyfully reported it to their parents in search of their approval, and received it.

You are deeply out of step with the civilized people of the US and Israel on this.

 

I also support JVP, Tikkun, "Breaking the Silence" and other rational Jewish organizations and individuals who realize that with about 1.7 Billion Muslims in the world, there's no way that Israel's right wing war mongers can kill their way to a "Greater Israel".

That's why supporting Netanyahu's genocide and cheerleading for a "Greater Israel" is truly "anti Semitic" because it guarantees Israel's destruction and the certain misery of all Israelis until Israel's militant right wing extremists are deposed.

As you've probably noticed, the same individuals that revile non Jewish critics of Israel's genocidal right wing extremists as "anti Semites" also revile Jews with whom they disagree as "self hating Jews".

Either way, right wing Zionists who support Netanyahu, Gallant, Dickter and their murderous ilk only have name calling as a rebuttal to reasonable, fact based and substantive assertions.

After all:

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser". Socrates

Thanks and keep up the good work.

 

Let me first copy a smart quote I just found:
"No amount of evidence can penetrate the fortress of ignorance that surrounds the mind of a fool.
A gullible person does not seek evidence, but accepts any information that aligns with their preexisting beliefs.
An intelligent person is characterized by their insatiable appetite for evidence, and their willingness to adjust their beliefs in accordance with the facts."

And now about 'the interview' with Rosenthal written by Walter White. What evidence we have Walter White interviewed Rosenthal? The book was published in n 1978, two years after Rosenthal was murdered in a terrorist attack at the El Al gate in Istanbul, Turkey, so obviously Rosenthal cannot confirm it. If there was such interview, for sure it was recorded - did Walter White released tapes which can be verified that the interview really happened? Without this evidence I would not believe it, but for gullible people who believe Jews rule the world, for sure this this interview really happened.

Now about Wikipedia. Yes, Wikipedia is not always right, but also medicine, weather prediction or economy.
So also about medicine we can say: "be comfortable in the delusion that medicine is always accurate and always truthful" - it means you are not using doctors and medicines?
I changed the contents of Wikipedia few times and I know it is not easy. You cannot write "Walter White interviewed Rosenthal because my grandma told me - you have to support you claims by EVIDENCE.
And what is the evidence? Academia articles or 'respectable' newspaper.

 

There is a smart quote I just found:

If Wikipedia is dominated by Israel's army of paid Hasbara trolls - there must be an evidence that Hasbara trolls wrote false information in Wikipedia.
Of course some people will believe that paid Hasbara trolls spread false information in Wikipedia, but "An intelligent person is characterized by their insatiable appetite for evidence, and their willingness to adjust their beliefs in accordance with the facts.
So were is the evidence?

 

You can't have read any of my earlier posts because I have never used the term: "set up the Gazans" and I also write at another forum.
Rather than making fictitious and generalized claims about what you claim to have read, the ethical approach would have been to take one specific Post I wrote and address its particular points

Since you are not telling the truth about all that I've written at this thread, why should anyone believe your additional distortions and mischaracterizations about what I may or may not have written?

Since dates matter, you were also careful not to cite the date of the poll you chose or provide its address.
Therefore the undated polls you've cited are essentially meaningless.

America's opinion has changed dramatically since November 2023 as Americans are starting to learn more and more about what I have called a "tragic but suspicious event".

A few months ago about 1/3 of Americans opposed Netanyahu's Gaza genocide. The more recent poll I cited is from an article dated 3 April 2024 and shows that as of March, 2024 over half of "civilized" Americans opposed Netanyahu's genocide.

Ethical and "civilized" Jews around the world (1), (2) also oppose what Israeli agriculture minister, Avi Dichter, calls the "....Gaza Nakba" (3)
Briefly put, you can trot out all the antique and contorted Zionist polls you want but the fact remains that more and more of the "civilized" world opposes the Gaza genocide every day.

Finally, every Hasbara script I've read attempting to justify the mass murder, mutilation and deliberate starvation of Gaza's native residents repeats the same debunked fables about headless babies, rape and indiscriminate slaughter as if the cyclical violence only began on 7 October 2023. The crimes of rape, torture, murder and dismemberment are all contemptible regardless of who commits it including Hamas members.

The problem is that Israel has a credibility problem and many of the deaths were caused by trigger happy IDFers and the headless baby story turned out to be fraudulent.

My question to apologists of Netanyahu's genocide is:
Where has your "civilized" outrage been since the 1940s:

“Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”
https://www.countercurrents.org/alhelsi100410.htm

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted." CONTINUED

There's nothing "civilized" about aiding and abetting what history will regard as the Gaza Genocide.



(1). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
http://www.ijan.org/uncategorized/jews-against-genocide-statement-and-action/

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED


(2). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

EXCERPT "But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “ CONTINUED


(3). "Benjamin Netanyahu Is the War Criminal of the Year"
https://newrepublic.com/article/177749/bibi-netanyahu-war-crimes-palestine

"Experts aren't mincing words about the Israeli leader's brutal and disproportionate response to the October 7 Hamas attacks."

EXCERPT "Israeli officials, in their own words, seem to tacitly acknowledge that their critics’ worst fears are far from unfounded. In early November, Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter said “We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba,” referring to the war against Palestinians and seizure of territory that marked Israel’s founding in 1948." CONTINUED

 

To be clear, when iState "Jewish" I'm not referring to Sephardi, Beta or Hebrew Israelites, I'm referring to Ashkenazi. "Jewish" is not a term iUse when referring to biblical Israelites or their lineal descendants, since imo jewISH pertains to one who is like but not is, a Jew.

That's my personal interpretation and ppl can disagree but the point is this is my reference.

Example: muslimish pertains to one who is not a real Muslim but like a Muslim. Yes, muslimish is a made up word, right here, by easu but Jewish is a made up word too and fairly recently by some obscure European somewhere.

 

What is the practical relevance of this distinction that you are making?

Is it just a means of casting an insult? Or does varying lineage change how you feel about each individual depending on their exact lineage?

 

If you have written any posts here condemning Gaza's invasion and war crimes in the aftermath. If you have called on Gaza to surrender and release the hostages to end the war, you may simply link to them. I pointed out that I was unable to find any. If you have any, post a link. Thanks, Zorro.

 

Context.

If that upsets you then I'm sorry.

 

Day Before Biden Admin Announced It Would Withhold Weapons From Israel, It Issued Sanctions Waiver To Allow Arms Sales to Qatar and Lebanon.

Iran controls Lebanon

'Less than a day before the Biden administration announced its intent to cut off U.S. arms sales to Israel, it issued a sanctions waiver to bypass congressional prohibitions on arms sales to a host of Arab nations that boycott the Jewish state, including Hamas ally Qatar and Iran-controlled Lebanon.'

'On Tuesday—just a day before President Joe Biden threatened to withhold key weapons deliveries from Israel if the country moves forward with an incursion in the Gaza Strip’s Rafah neighborhood—the State Department informed Congress that it intends to bypass laws that bar the United States from selling weapons to nations that boycott Israel, according to a copy of the notification obtained by the Free Beacon.'

'The Biden administration, which has waived these sanctions in the past, said in the notification that it intends to extend the waiver through April 30, 2025, allowing weapons to be sent to a host of nations that work closely with the Hamas terror group and other Iran-backed terror proxies.'

FJB is Bought.

 

Who said or implied that it upsets me?

It is a sincere question.

Even if you want to call it context, then the question still becomes what is the practical relevance of this "context"? It would be like you saying many have bunions on their feet. While you may see that as providing context, what is the relevance of that context? There MUST be a practical reason for why you are pointing this out.

What is that reason?

*To avoid any more errant speculation... I am happy as a lark.

 

Utter Disgrace: Biden Stabs Israel in the Back

'Seven months ago, almost to the day, Hamas and the Gazans launched a barbaric attack on Israeli civilians, slaughtering more Jews in any single day since the Holocaust. The recognized government of the Gaza enclave raped, pillaged, and slaughtered Israelis and foreigners at a music festival, on the kibbutzes that feed Israel, and kidnapped around 250 men, women, and children as hostages. Gazans cheered the return of these barbaric hordes, and Hamas pledged to keep conducting warfare of this nature until they destroyed Israel and enslaved its inhabitants.'

'And it is the terrorists with whom Joe Biden apparently wants to side. Angry that Israel wishes to win the war that Hamas and the Gazans started, Biden announced that he would withhold weapons from Israel until they stop trying to attack Hamas where they have hidden themselves -- in Rafah. For some reason, Biden sets a larger store on the survival of Hamas than of the American ally that Hamas pledges to destroy:'

It may be that Hamas bought Biden like the Ukrainians did.

'Hamas deliberately stages its operations in civilian areas to prevent Israel from fighting back. That in itself is a war crime, which puts responsibility for those deaths on Hamas. By making this argument, Biden is endorsing Hamas' war crimes and enabling its tactical and strategic terror operations, essentially arguing that Hamas is untouchable because it uses human shields.'

'Hamas has waged war continuously since taking power in Gaza in 2007, firing a never-ending volley of missiles and rockets at Israeli civilian centers, even during supposed cease-fires. The US routinely brokers these cease-fire agreements only to see Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad routinely violate them to re-start the hot war they and the Gazans desire. '

 

In order to clarify who I'm referring to. As stated in my original post.

 

I think that our discussion is not so much one of my being anti Israel and your being pro Israel as that I oppose Israel's right wing expansionists and you support a more militant, right wing approach toward dealing with neighboring Islamic countries.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I genuinely wish no harm to come to Israel or its regular, everyday citizens and feel that Netanyahu's response to the tragic 7 October attack has done more harm to Israel's genuine security and long term best interests than any other possible response.

I don't think that you can deny that the reason that world opinion has turned against Israel so abruptly is not anti Semitism but the Netanyahu administration's 35 to one "Kill Ratio" (1) that looks like Netanyahu is punishing the population since Gaza is rubble but Hamas is still around and fighting. (2)

Since I believe that our experiences help shape our opinions, my experiences in S.E.Asia, Haiti, Lebanon and various 3rd World war zones, I vividly remember being surrounded by starving, homeless, burned and / or mutilated children and being entirely unable to help even one of them.
I will admit that living among people in that much misery has made me strongly resentful of my government's complicity in Netanyahu's genocide.

Re:

OK, I'll admit that "dominated by Hasbara trolls" may be a bit hyperbolic but I do believe that Wikipedia has a strong pro Zionist bias and even admits, itself, that it is unreliable.
Briefly put, it is at least my opinion that you rely too much on MSM which includes Wikipedia, academia etc. and rely too little on independent media and critical thinking skills. (i.e. "thinking outside of the box")

I have repeatedly provided evidence that MSM has a pro Israel bias (3) and that, I suspect, is why you adhere to mainstream viewpoints.

While I don't dismiss any viewpoint just because it it is mainstream, I've seen the value of critical thinking (or "critical literacy") probably because I've seen how governments deceive the population to better control them. Meanwhile, I've seen too many times when mainstream sources simply parrot government disinformation.

Re:

Do you know of any individual at this forum who provides as much evidence to support his assertions than I do?

I do at least some outside research with almost every Post I write because among the reasons I write here is to learn. I don't care how much a person may know, there's always more to learn.

I've even had people who disagreed with me report and have Posts of mine removed because I provided "too much evidence" to support my opinion.

Thanks,


(1) By "Kill Ratio", I mean the practice by totalitarian occupiers in the past of killing 35 civilians for each occupying soldier killed. The ratio varied from occupier to occupier.


(2). "Israel is not fighting against Hamas but against civilians, implementing a criminal policy of bombings"
https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/...ns_implementing_a_criminal_policy_of_bombings

EXCERPT "More than two million people are currently crowded into the southern Gaza Strip with nowhere else to go. Continuing to implement this bombing policy will almost certainly result in the killing of thousands more civilians. In these circumstances, Israel must immediately stop implementing this policy, which is sowing more and more death and destruction, and worsening the humanitarian catastrophe in the Gaza Strip." CONTINUED

 

Total bullshit. Even the Israelis know who is behind the antisemitic attacks.

https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/sk7hjldma