It Always Starts with the Jews.

Why are you being so evasive? This is not a trick question. What are you trying to hide here?

Why are these distinctions relevant? Even if you want to call it clarifying who you are referring to, then the question still becomes what is the practical relevance of clarifying their lineage? Why does that matter? It would be like you saying many have bunions on their feet. While you may see that as providing context, what is the relevance of that context? There MUST be a practical reason for why you are pointing this out.

What is that reason? At first glance, it looks like raw hatred and just casting an insult, but I am trying to give you the opportunity to explain why it is not.

 

You've had all the answers you need. The lineage question is obvious.

 

Indeed I have gotten my answer.

Your steadfast refusal to explain your motive leaves no other practical option than that it is straightforward hatred. Nobody cares about ancient Jewish lineage in this context except for someone just wanting to cast aspersions. Beyond that it has no probative value.

Rather than going to such great lengths to obscure your true feelings, you should simply be honest about from where you are coming. Honesty is always the best policy. Own your feelings.

One thing you can say about Hitler, at least he was honest about his hatred for the same group.

 

HE’S NOW SENILE. HE WAS ALWAYS EVIL AND CORRUPT: Biden’s betrayal: “But for Michigan?”

'Biden has betrayed Israel, the Jews, the US, the West, and Congress to win the presidency (he thinks) by winning the votes of the Muslims in Michigan who would dearly love to see Israel and the Jews destroyed, and the US and the West in their current forms as well.'

'This is nothing new for Biden; he earlier acquiesced to Obama’s anti-Israel and pro-Iran and anti-American policies and has been intent on implementing them in his own presidency. And yes, he’s got a lot of help and advice from both Obama and major players in the State Department and in both administrations.'

• 'Biden says he wants a hostages-for-prisoners deal/ceasefire. But by pressuring Israel he emboldens Hamas to make unrealistic demands.
• Biden says he wants a two-state solution with a “revitalized”Palestinian Authority (PA) in charge of Gaza. But by saving Hamas he ensures it will block Fatah (the ruling party in the PA) from gaining a foothold in Gaza.
• Biden says he wants to alleviate the humanitarian suffering in the Gaza Strip but by precluding a ceasefire deal and emboldening Hamas, he prolongs the war and therefore the suffering.
• Biden says he wants to free the hostages (some of whom are Americans) but his strengthening of Hamas’s negotiating hand ensures that Hamas will demand more in return for each hostage — at every step of the way.
• Biden says he wants to stop the Houthi attacks on commercial shipping, but by emboldening Hamas he emboldens the Houthis.
• Biden says he wants to end the Israel-Hezbollah war, but his reduced support for Israel emboldens Hezbollah.
• Biden wants Tehran to help prevent a regional war, but by emboldening all elements of the “Resistance Axis,” his policy has the effect of widening the war.
• Biden says he stands against antisemitism, but by, in effect, accusing Israel of inexcusable brutality against innocent woman and children, he places the authority of his office behind the blood libel of the age.
• Biden says he wants normalization between Israel and the Saudis, but by weakening Israel he makes it less attractive as a partner.
• [Biden’s] personalized attacks on PM Netanyahu encourage the opposition to try to bring him down.'

The betrayal makes the US less valuable as an ally.

 

Maybe you shouldn't put all Jews in one basket. It appears the dislike is largely of Ashkenazi Jews and not, Hebrew Israelites, Beta or Sephardi.

This is largely due to the treatment of palestinians over the course of the last 70 plus years, committed by Ashkenazi. The Ashkenazi are the tribe that are taking the brunt of world discontent as they are the face of modern Israel, by choice and make up the bulk of the IDF and Knesset.

 

I have asked several times for you to explain why this is relevant and you refused to do so.

If it turned out that Israel is filled with only Jews with a purple birthmark on their thumbs, I would still ask why that is relevant to the discussion. So what?

Segregate them however you like, it changes nothing in the larger Israel/Palestine debate.

 

If the difference in the various groups that encompasses Jews or Jewish folk is so unimportant, then why is just ONE GROUP (Ashkenazi) represented in government and why are the rights of the others that of 2nd class and worse, unwanted?

 

The answer would clearly be cultural. DNA doesn't matter, unless of course your desire is just to cast aspersions against those you hate.

Perhaps your time would be better spent focusing on the cultural differences?

 

This is what I'm talking about, cultural differences, tribalism. That's why iMentioned the other Hebrews, who the Ashkenazi would rather didn't exist and have been deporting or in Ethiopias case, outright neglecting the thousands that still seek aaliyah there.

 

Thanks, Biden: Hamas Now Refuses to Budge on Hostage Talks

"Never underestimate the ability of FJB to screw things up."

'In fairness, why would Hamas budge from its current maximalist position? Israel's closest ally is publicly blaming PM Benjamin Netanyahu for the war that Hamas started. US negotiators have piled pressure on Israel to make more and more concessions, all without bothering to even scold Hamas over the American hostages it holds. Key Democrat leaders in the US have called for Netanyahu to resign to find more compliant politicians in Israel to help Hamas get what it wants out of the talks, and Biden publicly agreed with them.'

'And now Biden has begun cutting off arms shipments to force Israel to allow Hamas to survive in Rafah.'

'Could Hamas have better representation than Joe Biden?'

'Biden's absolutely craven betrayal has also managed to do something that looked impossible while Donald Trump remains the GOP nominee -- split the Democrat Party. Jewish Insider reports that the "center-Left" has broken with Biden on Israel, with a number of them going public in doing so:'

Looks like FJB was bought by Hamas like he was bought by Ukraine.

 

I thought the context of this discussion about Jews was in regards to Israel and the Palestine conflict.

Ethiopia seems rather irrelevant.

 

No, the context of this discussion between you and iHad no mention of the Israeli war on Gaza.

It was your apparent disgust at my reference to the WJE use of the word "Jewish" and how this is an admittance to what could be deemed as a tribe of converts and one whose use of the suffix, ISH, would denote this.

 

Once again, "disgust" was not involved. It was a simple matter of clarifying where you are coming from.

At any rate, Id say this conversation is beyond played out. It is time for us to move on.

 

Disgust was most definitely your focus, since you didn't hesitate to accuse me of hatred on several occasions.

You were offended and because of that iApologise.

 

I don’t think we have a discussion – we have a bidding context. You bring information about the worst Israeli behavior, and if I accept the evidence I will agree with you and I bring information about the worst Palestinian behavior. The difference? I am using the academia, known newspapers or Wikipedia sources, and you many times use web sites known for conspiracy or anti-Semitism.

I am not judging people by what they say they are, I am judging people only by what they post and I think everyone should do the same.
We have two kinds of sources – Hamas/Palestinians and Israeli source – both sources spread lies, but IMHO Israeli sources are more reliable. Why? Because Israel is democratic country and Israeli government is very often criticized in Israeli media, in Israel there are almost daily anti government demonstration. And how about Hamas sources? Contradicting Hamas can be dangerous to your and your family health.

Disagree, and here is my EVIDENCE:
people are used to treat Jews differently. Claudine Gay was forced to resign from her position not because she said calling for Jews genocide is not harassment because it depends on context - she was forced to resign from her position because allegations of plagiarism.
Just imagine what would happen if a Jewish president of Harvard announced that calling for genocide of Blacks is not a harassment because it depends on context - the same day Harvard would be burned to the ground!

Just imagen would would happen if Mexico invaded the US, murdered 1200 Americans, raped American women and kidnapped 200 hostages?

Osama bin Laden terrorists attacked the US - did you see huge students protests after US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

For years Arabs are killing thousands Blacks in Darfur - did you see huge students protests?

On Oct 7 Hamas committed genocide, murdering 1000 civilians, raping Israeli women, and kidnapping even 10 moths old infant. Who do you think on Oct 9 Columbia students accused of genocide? Here is the answer:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit

I can show more evidence, but I think I proved my point, Jews are treated differently.

Re:

Well, you didn't show any evidence that Wikipedia has a strong pro Zionist bias - you showed only you believes, I am convinced by evidence and not by someone believes.
Yes, when we are talking about FACTS - I trust academia, Wikipedia, because of peer review and showing the sources, but then talking about interpretation of facts - I read left, right and independent media too.

Yes, I noticed that you show your sources similar what the academia and Wikipedia do, but some of you sources are links which not work or like "kill ratio" which totally untrue.
Interesting question is why you posted this fake info about 35 to one "Kill Ratio"? I guess you just copied it from an anonymous internet site dedicated for people who are not capable of simple arithmetic calculation.

It is a VERY primitive lie, which even elementary school student can calculate. If we believe Hamas how many people were killed and we will believe Israel how many Hamas terrorist were killed: Total killed – about 35 thousands, total killed terrorists about 10 thousand, so the ratio is about 2.5: 1 more or less the same as in any urban combat:
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has...fare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

 

I guess you fancy yourself to be a mind reader.

You probably should not quit your day job.

For what its worth, I can look at a person filled with hate and not be "disgusted". I do however definitely think less of their resulting conclusions... but am I "disgusted? Nah. You are free to feel however you wish. It's not any skin off my nose. You do you.

 

They are anti-JEWISH

Student at @FIU complains that “Anti-Jewish” protesters aren’t protected on campus. Note that she expressly said “Anti-Jewish” while reading her speech OFF A PIECE OF PAPER. When they tell you who they are, BELIEVE THEM. #AntizionismIsAntisemitism

 

that's very generous of you to allow me such privilege.

 

I think this is the episode of Kim Iversen I watched last night. Somewhere in there is an interview with Netanyahu from many years ago when he was a young man. His comments then about Israeli control of the US government are most informative, just exactly what my thoughts are, that Israeli influence in Washington DC and the US in general is very high. Yes, we have today the United States Of Israel.

Biden Confronts "Genocide Joe" Nickname, Ann Coulter Tells Vivek To His Face Only Whites Should Be President, The Great Taking w/ Chris Martenson (rumble.com)

 

I am a live and let live type of person.

I guess you are trying to spin THAT as a bad thing? Yeesh. Stop hounding me over nothing. Its time to move on.

 

Improving public dialogue, clarifying frequently used terms.

 

You replied to my post first, accuse me of hatred and now you say I'm hounding you because I'm trying to explain my pov.

Don't get it twisted.

 

Which is the antithesis of Hasbara logic.

 

Explain your point of view? Do you mean by being indignant because I said you do you?

Sincerely, move on. This is silly. Nobody on this board wants to read aimless bickering.

 

I'm not quite sure what your overall point is?

If it is to show that I consider the lives of Jews to be less valuable than the lives of non Jews, you can look at every post I've ever written and never find anything even faintly resembling any anti Jewish sentiment.
My experiences in the US Military and in war torn, 3rd World countries only reinforced my feeling that blood type is far more important than skin color, nationality or religion.

What I have repeatedly written regardless of the topic is that I don't believe any race, religion, ethnic group of nationality to be superior or inferior to another.
I've also used the phrase: "I don't believe any race, religion, ethnic group of nationality to be more or less violent than another."

One of the reasons I have not specifically condemned: "Gaza's invasion and war crimes" is because "Gaza" didn't "invade" Israel.

If you want to discuss that one day when Hamas attacked civilians and military forces in Israel as well as illegally occupied "Settlements", I think we should be as accurate as possible.

Regarding 7 October, specifically, I have repeatedly described the Hamas attack on 7 October 2023 as a "tragic but suspicious event" which is far more sympathetic than anything written by those individuals who are loyal to Israel after IDF routinely "mows the lawn..." in Gaza killing hostages and civilians.

Today, however, world opinion seems to be that Hamas temporarily broke out of their open air prison and did to the Israelis in one day what Israel does to the residents of Gaza and the West Bank on a regular basis.

The reason I have used the phrase "...tragic yet suspicious..." is because it is both.
I am just as empathetic to the innocent Jewish victims of that attack as I am to subsequent Palestinian victims of Netanyahu's genocide. Both groups of people were and remain victims of unspeakable cruelty.

I also used the word "suspicious" in describing what has turned out to be a license to destroy Gaza, exterminate its residents using tactics no less heinous than those of Hamas; starvation, collective punishment, hostage taking & torture (1)
By they way, Israel's PR folks didn't help their own credibility with the "headless baby" and other related hoaxes and exaggerations. (2)

Perhaps the most suspicious feature of that tragic day is that at least some individuals in the Netanyahu administration knew of the attack at least one year before it occurred. The Netanyahu regime even received a 40 page document from the NY Times that spelled out exactly what, when and how Hamas was to attack.
Hamas even produced a video which Israel received and it, too, showed the locations, time and tactics to be used on 7 October.
Finally, Egypt passed on a detailed report of what Hamas was planning just days in advance so Hamas' attack was no surprise to Netanyahu and others in his government who have always wanted an excuse to invade Gaza and expel / exterminate it's native residents.

As I have repeatedly shown, this would not be the first time that Zionists have been willing to sacrifice the lives of other Jews for a "Greater Israel:

“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”

Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).
https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

So, if you are annoyed at individuals who are not as effusive with their outrage as you would like in their condemnation of Hamas, I would think that you would be especially angry at those within the Netanyahu administration who were willing to knowingly sacrifice the lives of their countrymen for an excuse to invade Gaza, expel or exterminate Gaza's men, women and children and hand Gaza over to militant "Settlers" who murder members of the existing population with impunity. (3)

Thanks,



(1). “Torture and Abuse”
https://www.btselem.org/topic/torture

EXCERPT “The Israel Security Agency’s (ISA) interrogation regime relies on isolating interrogatees from the outside world and uses holding conditions to weaken interrogatees in body and spirit. The cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment – at times amounting to torture – is a blatant violation of international law and basic moral standards. Many authorities facilitate the ISA’s operations, including the Israel Prison Service, which creates inhuman holding conditions, the Attorney General who gives ISA agents immunity, and the Supreme Court which sanctions the interrogatees’ isolation.” CONDITINUED


(2) "A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent"
https://hebhjamal.substack.com/p/a-list-of-israeli-lies-propaganda

EXCERPT

"The Propaganda:

1. Israel’s military and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office claimed that Hamas fighters beheaded up to 40 children during their October 7 attack on the town of Kfar Aza. The incendiary allegations spread quickly and were widely repeated in the media and by President Joe Biden, who falsely claimed during a meeting with Jewish leaders that he personally saw photos of beheaded children, which the White House later walked back, admitting he had not seen any such photos and that the US had not verified the claim. However, Israeli journalists who visited the scene of the alleged beheadings saw no evidence to support the allegation and the Israeli military officials accompanying them made no mention of it. The Israeli army subsequently refused to confirm the claim and more than a week later no evidence has emerged to support it."
   CONTINUED

(3). "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/israel-west-bank-palestinians-settlers-violence.html
3, November 2023

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED