It would only take 9 minutes to destroy Israel

Honestly ....... please....you have to be kidding me...... your American mercenaries are killing and murdering day in and day out..... and you have the gaul to say....women were active in the arts....... Jesus whipped!

Its not rose tinted glasses...its a labotomy you've had!

Regards
Highlander

 

Were you living in Libya when Idris was king? I was.

 

Was this where you had the operation?

May I point out.... Gaddaffi gave the clans full autonomy to run the nation....it was democratic...most likely something you've never experienced in you lifetime. Certainly not if your an American! From the right side......sorry......extreme right side of the political divide!
But then again, I do have that problem when it comes to your rendition programme, or your torture chambers, or the assassination drones, or secret prisons, and even the genocide programmes your lot runs, but thats just me..... one from a human race your lot will never be a partied too!

Regards
Highlander

arts...... god save us!

 

The tribes hated Khadafi..

 

All authoritarian leaders hate tribes, clans, or any form of identity between people other then to themselves (other then their own tribe/clan). Because they want to rule by a cult of personality. And tribal affiliations normally matter more then such allegiance.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, Pol Pot, Gadaffy, Idi Amin, they were all the same. Bow down to The One, or die.

 

Totally wrong. Gaddaffi gave back to the clans all decisional control.

Perhaps you should look to him as how well things can be done, but then he educated the population unlike Margot Idris.

Gaddaffi considered his nation first, not the few as it is in your country.

1% rules okay!

Go fight and die for those that steal the bread from out of the mouths of your nation's children!

Waken up and smell the coffee!

Highlander

 

You're at it again!

Your regugitating the same rediculas American propaganda...more more to the point...and more accurately ........BullSh1T!

Regards
Highlander

 

You're at it again!

Your regugitating the same American propaganda...more more to the point...and more accurately ........BullSh1T!

Regards
Highlander

 

Education and infrastructure development in Libya went ahead at a frantic pace because they had double the oil revenue before Khadafi..

The objective is to support the population with heathcare, education, clean water and so forth.. Then you gradually reduce the stipend..

That's how you bring them into modernity... and you don't throw out their constitution which was a model for the whole Middle East and north Africa.

 

This is my impression of a debate with Highlander.

 

Aye right quine... Support the population ...... ie Heathcare, education, clean water, a caring society in Libya.....under Gaddaffi....... pity the same cannot be said for American's in America and you want them to take your condesending crap.

And this bloody nonsense .... a model... a bloody model..... would this be more of the "Shah" type hypocrisy! A Model for what.... the Nazi era or the present Zionist era perpitrated on innocent people?

Sometimes you make me cringe.

Regards
Highlander

 

America is not emerging from the 10th century.. in a period of 50 years. ..And we are capitalists, not socialists.

Arab people aren't socialists either.. They have a long tradition as merchant traders.

If countries like Libya ruin the people with oil money wefare checks in perpetuity, they will never take their place in the world..

 

This is something a lot of people just do not understand. And many of us would actually support programs that provide health care to those to poor to afford it.

But we oppose the idea of health care for everybody. That is Socialism, and not what we want. Let those of us who can afford to get our own do so. Do not force us to buy into a system we do not want or need just because some people do not have it.

That is something most people do not realize. Sadly, far to many think "Arabs" and think religious fanatics and backwards culture. But during the period that Europe was sunk in the Dark Ages, Arab culture flourished. And most do not realize that the tales of Sinbad was a series of Persian tales about a merchant trader set during an Islamic Golden Age, at the same time Europe was sunk in the Dark Ages.

The problem with this is ultimately that their entire economy is tied to a single commodity. And one that has seen itself go from $35 a barrel to $100 a barrel in less then a decade (and also plunge back to $55, then back to $100 again). This is a recipie for disaster for any economy. Money from a source like this should be invested in infrastructure to help develop addiional and more stable forms of income.

Because if the ultimate goal of "alternate energy" people is ever met, oil will likely someday plunge to the $30 a barrel price again or lower as demand decreases. This will have the effect of returning to poverty huge areas of the Middle East and North Africa that have built their entire economy on oil. And when those government checks stop, you will likely see riots and uprisings that make Arab Spring and what is going on in Greece to be a small sideshow.

This is a lot of the problem with most of the oil exporting nations. Most are gross importers of requirements for life (food especially). And other then oil most do not have a measureable export commodity other then oil (some of the gulf states export pearls and other jemstones, but that is a fraction of their GNP). If oil ever goes back to even 1990's levels, their economies will be in serious trouble. And since "breaking the national dependence on oil" is the ultimate goal of most of those in the "Alternative fuel" area, they do not realize that by achieving their goal, they will impoverish a big chunk of the world's population.

Prior to the discovery of oil, Lybia was one of the poorest nations on the planet. And if the oil dries up or the price plumets, it will be so again.

 

all the "noise" from turkey against Israel was just a cover up for the NATO missiles installed in turkey , they will not swap the whole 21 Arab countries with Israel .

 

Good post...................

 

...................... Obviously you know that diversifying the economy is an imperative.......

 

Well, like you I have lived in the region. And I have seen these problems first-hand.

Drive through the countryside and you see almost no agriculture. Few farms, no cattle ranches, nothing to show where all the food comes from. Because a giant chunk of it is imported. About the only stable sources of protein is fishing from the Med-Gulf, or what most would consider non-traditional forms of family livestock, like camels.

I look at the claims of "green fuels", and see "death" to most of that region if this is ever accomplished. Because other then some nations like Qatar that has a moderate export of pearls, most of those regions really have no other exportable commodity. They were among the poorest nations in the world prior to oil, and their entire economy is based upon it. Remove the value of oil, and they can no longer afford to buy food. And you will have famines that will make those in Ethyopia look minor.

Instead of trying to pacify their citizens with Bread and Circuses, they should go into a "Diversify or Die" mode. Because within 10-20 years, I bet that at least some of the technologies comming out now will start to affect the price of oil. And if they wait until then, it will be to late.

 

Apparently what you describe has some value. Mark Twain wrote practically the same about Palestine. Now the Jews have transformed the place (or on the way) to a small paradise.

 

Not true I am afraid. Some areas yes but not all of Palestine that was a myth perpetrated by the British and early Zionists. Al Jazeera had an excellent film on it earlier this year Jaffa, The Orange's Clockwork which explains how the Palestinians fertile land and livelihood was taken from them. For some reason I cannot find the film - modern censorship no doubt. However here is a trailer

[video=youtube;RJH5-6CIrrk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJH5-6CIrrk[/video]

It

 

Saudi Arabia is actually making some progress.. Manufacturing has created 500,000 jobs since 2007. They have developed fish and shrimp farms.. so they are exporting both Tilapia and Prawns to the Far East.

There is bauxite mining for aluminum production..There is some poulty farming.. Much more diversity is needed..

Some Saudi leased 2 million acres of land in Sudan for agriculture.. It will be interesting to see how that turns out.

The desert can be quite productive if water is available.

The SAG gets that and have built many dams to capture groundwater.

IMO they are tackling the problems on many fronts.

 

Yea, real censorship. I found it after looking for like 2 minutes.

http://www.linktv.org/programs/jaffa-the-oranges-clockwork

Yea, yea, yea, just what we need. Another movie to show that the Jews stole everything, and need to be destroyed so Palestine can be great again. Yadda-Yadda-Yadda.

And hey, after that is over, we can all sit around and watch Tomorrow's Pioneers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNE__TiMZo

 

I found that link within 10 seconds but did not find myself able to see any movie there. It has gone from Al Jazeera. All the other links I found are now dead. The one you found says it is going to be showing it on certain dates. It is not available for viewing so please do not be so rude and inaccurate in your desire to create a personal attack.

Just being rude is no argument and does not change the truth. If you do get an opportunity to view the film you will see it is well documented with footage from the time including the propaganda that was going on at the time. What was also interesting was that in the early days the Jews and the indigenous population were able to work together. It also shows how the British deliberately gave the world a wrong image - not least hiding all the Palestinians when it was filming oranges. I hope you get a chance to see the film so you may get some understanding of what has been done to a people.

My comment was true. It is dishonest to pretend that Palestine was a barren land without people. What we need is the truth. and you going Yadda, yadda, yadda when that has been said, shows a person not up to it.

Jaffa 1998 -1914 - not some desert





Jaffa 1914

Pictures don't come out well when uplifted. Those and others can be seen here http://www.palestineremembered.com/DistrictOfJaffaTownsPictures.html

 

Funny, because I played it before I linked it, so I know it is working just fine.

Maybe the Jews are secretly censoring your Internet.

Or maybe they are censoring AJ. In fact, maybe they are secretly controlling AJ and made them take it off as part of their conspiracy.

Or maybe AJ just took it off as most web sites do, because after a while it is no longer newsworthy, so no longer of importance. Happens all the time you know.

But here is the website of the producers, you can buy the DVD there.

http://www.trabelsiproductions.com/Jaffa.php

It was also shown a few months ago at York University in Canada.

http://ljubljana.apartheidweek.org/ar/node/723

And I love one of the reviews of the film I saw:

Very few documentaries have made me so conflicted as Jaffa, The Orange’s Clockwork. The film is actually very biased, but the film is presented like it is giving a balanced, thoughtful history of Jaffa, the marketing and the images surrounding it. Most of the experts mix actual historical facts with their own opinions, which tend to blur together after a while. What we have instead is a film that whitewashes over many of the key facts in history in this region. The film gives the impression that Jews and Palestinians got along peacefully before 1948 and there is barely a mention of Britain’s colonial rule of Palestine. It basically implies that Palestine was a utopia of peace and harmony before the war, but anyone with even a basic history of the region would know of the tensions that always existed. I am not about to get into a debate about Palestinians vs Israelis in the region, I am simply pointing out a very deliberate bias that dominates the film. I would make the same comment if a documentary about the region had such a strong Israeli bias as well.

http://thetfs.ca/2010/10/12/review-jaffa-the-orange’s-clockwork-tpff-2010/

And of course it has it's own IMDB page.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1720949/

You can also download it here:

http://www.nox.to/showitem.jsp?type=movie&id=4759

Or you can watch it right here on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cgb-VbL7dA

I have not been inaccurate at all. However, since I can find it so easily and you seem unable to, I guess that wherever you are they censor the Internet. Because I certainly had no problems finding it.

 

Jesus.. Mark Twain was writing a satire on American Tourists.. You'd know that if you'd actually read it.