It's not Camelot Stupid!

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  1. DivineComedy

    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

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    If Romney does not get both houses, he cannot do much about the economy, but he can deny the Senate justices that are true believers in this:

    Clinton said: "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation."

    "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts." (Obama)

    What did Peter and John, Martin Luther, and John Calvin...do?

    If you cannot denigrate or disrepect the belief that David Koresh is Jesus, he's Jesus.

    If you cannot denigrate or disrepect the belief that someone is a prophet of God...he has an untouchable fifth column.

    If Romney loses now the Republican party should {fill in the blank}

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    "[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse."

    "[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing." "AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)"

    "[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

    Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
    "He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

    "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/083-sbt.php#009.083.017

    "[5.58] And when you call to prayer they make it a mockery and a joke; this is because they are a people who do not understand."

    “Lo! the hypocrites seek to beguile Allah, but it is He Who beguileth them. When they stand up to worship they perform it languidly and to be seen of men, and are mindful of Allah but little;” 4.142

    “(Mat 6:5) And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    (Mat 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    (Mat 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
    (Mat 6:8) Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
    (Mat 6:9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
    (Mat 6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
    (Mat 6:11) Give us this day our daily bread.
    (Mat 6:12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    (Mat 6:13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.”

    "18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

    19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

    20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard." (Acts 4:18-20)

    “Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. “
     
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    What we have now is a used camel lot.
     
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    Your camel lot went out of business?

    Was it the hypocrite camel lot taxer rejecting all efforts (such as freedom of speech) to denigrate the religious beliefs of those who were breaking camel backs?

    Or was the hypocrite, who rejects all efforts to denigate the religion of haters of Christians riding a camel with bells on the leg, or bell haters like those cults that hate church organs, responsible for camels getting lost?

    I used to run around the house at Christmas with camel bells jingling, as daddy rode a camel in WWII. So I can sympathize.

    Save the camel backs, and vote for Romney.
     
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    If Obama stays in office, Air force One will be a Sopwith Camel.
     
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    I say we firebomb every camel lot in the MidEast and then let GOD sort out the remains if HE would be so inclined to do so.
     
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    If that is a religious belief, like Camels are as forbidden as pork, it is safe under the Obamanation:

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."

    And I will just have to shut up, because I do not want to be rejected and have to live on some ship with a Liberian flag.

    That is why I hate starting topics, they come all in here with their free speech making me defend Islam. Gollum...Gollum...

    Someone should all PETA. Camels are not the enemy.
     
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    And the White House will be a White Quonset Hut, with the total military contingent of two Marines out front. Maybe we can get back the yacht Jimmy Cotter Pin sold as our Navy, they got bad news the other day.
     
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    There's a difference between denigrating and disrespecting and simply not believing. Koresh never forced me to believe he was Jesus. I hated him because he was an ambush murderer and a pedophile.
     
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    Simply not believing is not in our Constitution, the rights MUST go further to denigrating and disrespecting belief and that is what freedom of religion and the press must be able to do.

    This is an "intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others," it is an "effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others":

    "I hated him because he was an ambush murderer and a pedophile."

    And such hate speech by you is rejected by the current statecraft of the United States of America, in potential violation of the oaths of office to protect and defend the United States Constitution.
     
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    Hillary Clinton's tweets were on the official state department website. So the official statecraft of the United States government in violation of the US constitution, and the oaths of office, states:

    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. [So help me God.]"

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Unless that has been amended without my knowledge both Obama and Clinton should be impeached.

    One cannot have the free exercise of religion, or freedom of speech, if they cannot disrespect and denigrate false prophets in their press releases...

    We are not talking about the violent act of climbing someone else's flag pole, and stealing someone else's flag and burning it, which "liberal" pond scum have previously defended, we are talking about speech.

    So come on "liberals" lets see what lurks in those quisling hearts of yours.
     
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    You are hilarious.

    The executive administration of the united states declares as its policy "it deplores any INTENTIONAL effort to denigrate...."

    It doesn't prohit it, it doesn't ban it. It should also be noted that Obama and Hilllary have affirmed BOTH the right of free speech and the right of religious freedom.

    So instead of fantasizing about what Obama/clinton said, maybe you should read what was actually said.

    Maybe you'd like to comment on romney's decidedly unamerican behaviour on 9/11 when American Interests were under attack, he claimed Obama was an enemy sympathiser. He called the memo from the embassy an apology, when it clearly was no such thing. He denigrated the dedicated public servants trying to contain a volitile situation while four of their collegues were murdered. It is the first time in memory that a candidate attacked the president in the midst of an attack, never mind he got the details wrong in his rush to score some cheap political points.

    romney couldn't have looked more unpresidential nor more unpatriotic.
     
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    It doesn't PROTECT IT:

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    They told the Moslems in DIRECT response to our Constitutional Right of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion that "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others":

    "5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

    Oh, my, did Jesus blacken the reputation of MoHamMad, Moslems, various Jews, Evangelical Christians, and Pharisees?

    "[5.58] And when you call to prayer they make it a mockery and a joke; this is because they are a people who do not understand." http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kora...V0&byte=158021

    No, we do understand what Jesus said:

    "For he that is not against us is on our part." (Mark 9:40)

    "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Matthew 12:30)

    The former seems to say if Islam "doesn't prohibit it, it doesn't ban it," as Islam respects Jesus, but the latter lays down that their timed ordinance of prayer and judging by the speed of recovery of the protestation is not protecting Jesus word. Bush quoted the second one.

    What I say will be backed up, it will not be like that stupid movie, but I do reserve the right to do that if I want to:

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

    Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
    "He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

    "[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

    Paying attention are we?

    "38a. The recitation of this verse is followed by an actual prostration; see 7:206a."
    http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/ch041.pdf

    "206 Surely those who are
    with thy Lord are not too proud
    to serve Him, and they glorify
    Him and prostrate themselves
    before Him.a"

    "206a. The recital of this verse is followed by an actual prostration, so that the physical state of the body may be in perfect agreement with the spiritual condition of the mind. There are in all fifteen occasions in the Qur’ån where the believers are required to prostrate themselves, and the Prophet’s practice was to prostrate himself when reciting such verses whether it was a recital during prayer service or on ordinary occasions. Other such verses are: 13:15; 16:50; 17:109; 19:58; 22:18; 22:77; 25:60;
    27:26; 32:15; 38:24; 41:38; 53:62; 84:21 and 96:19."

    "One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly..."

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...rces/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/002.sbt.html

    “Lo! the hypocrites seek to beguile Allah, but it is He Who beguileth them. When they stand up to worship they perform it languidly and to be seen of men, and are mindful of Allah but little;” 4.142

    Now imagine, there you are that poor conquered smuck standing before Caesar telling him how you were ordered to pray, and there is this guy with a sword about to take your fracking head off if you are languid at prayer.

    Can you imagine it now? Is that what Jesus wanted?

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    First DEPLORING and REJECTING Freedom of Speech and Religion is NOT affirming Freedom of Speech.

    Even if you somewhere after with a mealymouth mention our rights under our Constitution, it was NOT mentioned on the State Department website when I copy and pasted Clinton's tweets deploring our rights.

    People who believe that Abortion doctors are murderers do not prohibit it, they do not ban it, because the law would put them in a dumpster like Rudolph. So you saying "The executive administration of the united states declares as its policy 'it deplores any INTENTIONAL effort to denigrate....' It doesn't prohit it, it doesn't ban it" is meaningless. Of course they couldn't prohibit it or ban it, "not to walk on all fours, that is the law," but they deplored the law, and rejected the law in the face of the enemy, and that cannot be said to be protecting and defending it.

    Unless there is some point in the future where the United States will reject or deplore such speech such as not to offend Islam, their statements did nothing but drip blood in the water for the sharks that salivate at the diner bell of deploring and rejecting our most sacred law in the Bill of Rights. See the wonderous result?
     
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    So the Democrats are complaining about the “lack of specifics” in Romney’s tax plan to not increase the debt.

    “I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.”

    http://www.npr.org/2012/10/03/162258551/transcript-first-obama-romney-presidential-debate

    Now, why is that all the specifics anyone needs?

    It’s not Camelot stupid.

    When any specifics got before Congress, unless you intend to pull an Obamacare moment, the only thing that matters is ““I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.” Until you know what they are going to demand, you cannot know your specifics.


    “First of all, I like the way we did it in Massachusetts. I like the fact that in my state, we had Republicans and Democrats come together and work together. What you did instead was to push through a plan without a single Republican vote.”

    This was a good moment:

    “MR. LEHRER: Governor, what about Simpson-Bowles. Will you support Simpson-Bowles?

    MR. ROMNEY: Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that.

    MR. LEHRER: No, I mean do you support Simpson-Bowles?

    MR. ROMNEY: I have my own plan. It's not the same as Simpson- Bowles. But in my view, the president should have grabbed it. If you wanted to make some adjustments to it, take it, go to Congress, fight for it.

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: That's what we've done, made some adjustments to it; and we're putting it forward before Congress right now, a $4 trillion plan, (a balanced ?) —

    MR. ROMNEY: But you've been — but you've been president four years. You've been president four years. You said you'd cut the deficit in half. It's now four years later. We still have trillion- dollar deficits.”

    They had their chance, they had their chance. They had enough for Obamacare and are only just now putting forward a balanced...

    .*********

    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [my God, is my Gubermint]." (Obama)

    "Here's one final idea that will help break the cycle of poverty, Affordable health care for every single American. Our God is big enough for that." (Obama)

    "Is a practical and comprehensive national health program beyond the capacity of our American government? I think not." (Jimmy Carter, "Why not the best?" p, 176, Bantam books)
     
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    "REP. RYAN: Let's not forget that they came in with one-party control. When Barack Obama was elected, his party controlled everything. They had the ability to do everything of their choosing, and look at where we are right now."

    (Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., participate in the vice presidential debate, moderated by Martha Raddatz of ABC News, Thursday in Danville, Ky. October 11, 2012)
    http://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate

    "REP. RYAN: Jack Kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. Ronald Reagan —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy.

    REP. RYAN: Ronald Reagan — (laughter) — (chuckles) — Republicans and Democrats —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: This is amazing.

    REP. RYAN: Republicans and Democrats have worked together on this.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: That's right.

    REP. RYAN: I understand aren't used to doing bipartisan deals.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: But we told each other what we were going to do. When we did with Reagan, he said —

    REP. RYAN: Republicans and Democrats —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: — here — here are the things we're going to cut. This is what he said.

    REP. RYAN: We can agree on a framework; let's work together to fill in the details. That's exactly —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Fill in the details.

    REP. RYAN: That's how you get things done. You work with Congress —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: (Seriously ?).

    REP. RYAN: Look, let me say it this way. Mitt Romney was governor —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: That's coming from the Republican Congress working bipartisanly?

    REP. RYAN: Mitt — Mitt Romney —

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: Seven percent rating? Come on.

    REP. RYAN: Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, where 87 percent of the legislators he served with were Democrats. He didn't demonize them. He didn't demagogue them. He met with those party leaders every week.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: (Chuckles.)

    REP. RYAN: He reached across the aisle. He didn't compromise principles.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: And you (saw what happened ?).

    REP. RYAN: He found common ground, and he balanced the budget.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: (You saw what ?) — if he did such a great job — if he did such a great job in Massachusetts —" (ibid)


    That is it in a nutshell, it explains why nothing can get done, chuckles, laughter, interuption, disrespect, and when someone invokes a name, a fact, it's time for the amazing Chuckles the Clown to claim they think something they do not.

    The Obamanation can only get something done with a Democratic Congress, but even then they failed to deliver anything but what they wanted, and they expect us to believe that it is the Republican Congress' fault that they failed on the economy and budget? Chuckles just got through demonstrating exactly why they cannot get it done, with any Congress, even their own, because all they got is chuckles and laughter and disrespect instead of working with Congress to fill in the details.

    It is time to vote them out, and not time to give them a second chance for more chuckles...
     
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    “…the other thing that we have to do is recognize that we can’t continue to do nation building in these regions. Part of American leadership is making sure that we’re doing nation building here at home. That will help us maintain the kind of American leadership that we need.” (President Obama, Monsters from the id, third presidential debate in Boca Raton, Fla., on Oct. 22, 2012)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/u...fla.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0&pagewanted=print


    I wonder, if that nation building here at home will be accomplished by the brown shirts:

    “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

    We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    Is it going to be tied with those “competent citizens” with regard to schools that Hillary was talking about in that African Democracy conference several years ago?

    And really, what “kind” of leadership is that nation building here at home going to give us? Who is going to decide, the Great Leader, or the people dictated to?
     
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    1) Ignoring terrorism.

    a. Obama supporters claimed Bush Ignored "Al Quacka determined to attack..."
    b. Obama had what Bush learned the hard way.

    2) Claim of responsibility for the terrorist attack.

    a. Bush had no claim of responsibility on 9/11, and liberals repeatedly pointed that out and called for law enforcement, but he went after a large terrorist organization's (Al Quacka's) safe haven anyway.
    b. Obama had a claim of responsibility on 9/11, but blamed a video:

    "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts." (Obama)

    3) Why did the terrorists do it?

    a. Bush's terrorists had two fatwas of war against us that said their reasons were the sanctions against Iraq which killed children:

    August, 1996: "More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void." (Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.)

    One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

    But, Obama was against removing that reason:

    "But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history." http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

    b. Obama's terrorists did not claim it was because of a video, we know this because Obama never named them in the Rose Garden on 9/12, so Obama supplied the reason to attack us.

    4) Can we remove the reason for the attacks?

    a. Bush could remove the reason for the war by removing Saddam, which was a precondition established by Clinton for removing sanctions.

    b. Obama could not remove the reason for the war by violating his oath of office and arresting the video producer for the freedom of speech:

    "Charles Woods told Larson that at the receiving ceremony in the United States, when his son’s body arrived, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton addressed grieving family members and later told Mr. Woods, that she would make sure that the filmmaker behind the 'Innocence of Muslims' online video would be 'arrested' and 'prosecuted.'"

    "She came over…she talked with me. I gave her a hug and shook her hand and she did not appear to be one bit sincere at all and she mentioned about, ‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video.,' recalled Mr. Woods. 'That was the first time I even heard about anything like that.'”

    Read more: PICKET: (AUDIO) Father of killed Navy SEAL - Hillary told me she would have filmmaker 'arrested and prosecuted' - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...killed-navy-seal-hillary-told-/#ixzz2APEAdbxx
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

    Has Hillary Clinton called him a liar?
     
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    5) The president lied about the war.

    a. It is claimed president Bush lied about WMD in the War on Terror, but Bush had a "slam dunk" from the CIA, and it was not all about WMD, it was about a War on Terror, and the reasons for the attacks:

    “H32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism;
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    33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990);” http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

    “A brutal, oppressive dictator, guilty of personally murdering and condoning murder and torture, grotesque violence against women, execution of political opponents, a war criminal who used chemical weapons against another nation and, of course, as we know, against his own people, the Kurds. He has diverted funds from the Oil-for-Food program, intended by the international community to go to his own people. He has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel. I mention these not because they are a cause to go to war in and of themselves, as the President previously suggested, but because they tell a lot about the threat of the weapons of mass destruction and the nature of this man. We should not go to war because these things are in his past, but we should be prepared to go to war because of what they tell us about the future.” (TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR October 9, 2002)

    “I would have preferred that the President agree to the approach drafted by Senators Biden and Lugar because that resolution would authorize the use of force for the explicit purpose of disarming Iraq and countering the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.” (TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR October 9, 2002)

    “March 5, 2003: Bus bombing in Haifa. U.S. citizens killed: Abigail Leitel, 14, who was born in Lebanon, New Hampshire.” http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html

    “The suicide bomber was 20 years old, a student of the Hebron Polytechnic University (from which a large number of suicide bombers have emerged) and a member of the Hamas terrorist organization.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/861590/posts

    March 13, 2003: “(CBS) Saddam Hussein has distributed $260,000 to 26 families of Palestinians killed in 29 months of fighting with Israel, including a $10,000 check to the family of a Hamas suicide bomber. In a packed banquet hall on Wednesday, the families came one-by-one to receive their $10,000 checks. A large banner said: ‘The Arab Baath Party Welcomes the Families of the Martyrs for the Distribution of Blessings of Saddam Hussein.’“ http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/14/world/main543981.shtml

    That was a violation of UN resolution 1441 which recalled "Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism," which was a condition of the cease-fire.

    March 17, 2003: “The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.” http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html

    b. It is irrefutable that Obama lied about the Video being the reason for the attacks, as he had no "slam dunk" from the CIA on 9/11 when he knew that a terrorist group claimed responsibility:

    "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

    6. Is the claim of responsibility confirmed, and if it is not what then?

    a. Bush did not wait to confirm a claim of responsibility, he took it to the biggest terrorist harbor, and those sympathetic with terrorism:

    July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

    b. Obama investigated and so did the liberal media, but they did not call for war against those allies of the terrorists that attacked us:

    "Zelin notes that the posting referred to a news conference the group had held earlier that day in Benghazi in which it denied any role in the assault on the consulate, while sympathizing with the attackers."
    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...-claim-of-responsibility-for-benghazi-attack/

    “On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop. Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

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    America has a choice. Allow the terrorist sympathizers freedom, or vote for truth, justice (terrorist sympathizers dying regardless of "specific enemy" claims of responsibility), and all that other stuff like Freedom of Speech.
     
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    "'Neither the president nor anyone in the White House denied any requests for assistance in Benghazi,' National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor told Yahoo News by email." http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...s-help-benghazi-aide-182415488--election.html

    "The 'basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place,' he said during a joint question-and-answer session with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff General Martin Dempsey.

    'As a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, General Ham, General Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation," Panetta said. General Carter Ham commands the U.S. Africa Command.

    And the CIA has denied that anyone in its chain of command rejected requests for help from the besieged Americans." (ibid)

    So, we are supposed to believe either that no requests for help from the Americans in Benghazi happened, because they had everything under control, or we are supposed to believe that the top Commander in Chief was not consulted about not acting during an act of war?
     
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    Congratulations Democrats. You one, I mean won. Now Obama will have a second chance and mandate for four more years to reduce our deficit (not end it?) {we are all going to DIE}, "reform our tax code, fix our immigration system, and free ourselves from foreign oil." We can forget about the Ali Abunimah disclaimer that “He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power.” This is Obama’s final election. You voted for leadership and “reaffirmed the spirit that has triumphed over war,” {they said, “Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism”} so thanks to you “A decade of war is ending”; so says the Obamanation; Praise the lord. We can come together to support a woman’s right to choose, a night on the town and abortion pill or Lesbean marriage. {can we at least get a hug, I feel like I want to cry right now?} We can finally come together to tax the rich for “reducing our deficit” (not end it?). {Oh my God we are all going to DIE} We can believe “we are an American family and we rise or fall together as one nation and as one people,” that needs no nation building for a “kind” of leadership.

    Yes:

    God bless these United States.

    That is all folks.
     

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