It's the autonomy, stupid

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away . . . I feel so old!

    If you're an antique person like me, or not so antique yet, you probably remember the 1992 election, and how GHW Bush lost due in no small part to the phrase "It's the economy, stupid." I don't even remember what the Bush platform was about, but it wasn't about our standard of living, which is why the Clinton campaign used it as a slogan and won. (Yes, I know there were other factors, but don't tell me that phrase didn't have a big impact.)

    This election, change just the one word, and the Democrats could nail the coffin shut on the GOP for the next four years and likely beyond, at least as far as congress goes.

    This is about not thinking about the possible consequences of our actions, such as the anti choice contingent and their decades long agenda to get ultra conservative SCOTUS judges installed and having them overturn Roe. The dog has caught the car, so now what?

    Turning the matter back over to each state has accomplished two big things (notwithstanding many little uh-ohs):
    1. Chaos has ensued. Women died because doctors could not treat them. The batshit crazies on the far right have come up with all manner of laws designed to prevent women from obtaining abortions. My favorite nincompoop idea was when Alabama declared that frozen embryos are children. Wasn't that fun?
    2. More women are registering to vote. Draconian bans like the six week limit just enacted in Florida are going on ballots in red states and guess who is winning? It turns out that even conservative women abhor the idea of the government, consisting mostly of men, having legal authority over their bodies. Who knew? (Certainly not the anti choicers.)
    Yes, the economy is on our minds. When is it not? But this issue is not only swaying existing voters, it generating new ones. I think the House is going to go D, and there's a decent chance that the Senate will, too. What do you think?
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    I think the bigger slogan that sunk Bush was

    "Read my lips"
     
  3. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, that was major.
     
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    The stock market has been terrible Inflation has been terrible.

    My status as a rentier is threatened.

    Automation and AI are obviating the need for an uneducated swarm of foreigners. Heck, in the future we won't need a "work force" at all
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    I'm so sorry that you have such a limited capacity that you have to resort to simplistic answers like this.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its fine for me. However VP Harris said "Most Americans, are a $400 unexpected expense away from bankruptcy.” "
    Trump had it under control without that bill which has some provisions in it that many do not like.
    Legal immigrants. Not those coming across the border not vetted.
    Too many democrat leaders are failing to condemn those who say "I am Hamas". And now occupying and disrupting universities along with the destruction they have caused is turning a lot of voters off.
     
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    Not nuanced at all. In this war you either support our allies or our enemy. ​
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    And it's been that way for decades. What legislation have the Repubs written to address it? They vote down school lunch programs for Chrissake!

    Sure, sure, right along with that wall he built. Your fantasies don't jive with reality.

    You mean like those blonde blue-eyed Norwegians, the Orange one fantasizes about?

    Is that what they told you at Faux News today?
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    That includes the Ukrainians, right?
     
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    I want to hear nuance, not concern trolling.
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    So sorry you're not up to the task.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Has Biden cured cancer yet? He doesn’t need Mexico’s help with that.
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    My 401k is swimming along nicely. You should talk to a professional.

    And how is your status as a "rentier" (I assume 'renter') threatened? I agree, rents and mortgages are really high, but there is no easy fix to that under our capitalistic system. Eventually, prices will stabilize.

    I have no idea what you think you're saying with that last line. Please elaborate.
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    Do you feel better now that you spitted that post out?
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that your best response?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The polls indicate Trump did better on the economy. Inflation is hurting people.
    He only finished part of the wall before Biden foolishly killed it. The numbers coming across the border are orders of magnitude higher along with terrorists.
    They are from nearly every country on the face of the earth including a large number from China.
    CBS is saying the same thing.
     
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    Better than this...
     
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    Enjoy your Kool-aid.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I gave up sweets a long time ago.
     
  20. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What I've noticed from you is that when you go off the rails with your responses you invoke the Biden mentality of not making any sense and drifting off into oblivion
     
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    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's because you cannot comprehend the subtext.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The subtext is did Biden cure cancer?
     
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    Well written post. The overturning of RvW was a giant step BACKWARDS. It was not just a "conservative" move, it involved religion. (one of them) The issue of abortion should be between the patient , her partner if there is one, and the medical advisor. As the courts which decided tis overturn, were influenced by on religion due to the membership. People with certain beliefs do not have to have an abortion. But they don't have the right to control how others decide by making up laws that do not work for everyone. The fact that mostly MEN are making these decisions, ....makes a total mockery of the situation. You can bet that if men could get pregnant........there would hardly be any discussion about how abortion is handled. This is suppressing women.......who have barely surfaced from under the male dominated society......and stated to gain an independent voice and freedom to make independent decisions. What better way to CONTROL women than to control her reproductive organs. It makes a mockery of the word "freedom" and "gender equality" as it applies to this country. The xtreme and fanatical right is all about CONTOL. and domination.......
    Trump created the situation for RW to be over turned. He for his own sELFISH reasons put a stop to the bill that would have started to address the border problems.
    Yet the RW blame Biden for everything.
    America is on a tipping point and depending on what happens in Nov.. we will see which way it will go.
     
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    Goodnight, Steve.
     
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    Not for women
     
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