Japanese Lawmakers to Lobby Abe for Russian Gas Pipeline

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  1. KGB agent

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-push-abe-on-russia-natural-gas-pipeline.html


    Trying to "isolate" Russia is futile, the US is going to learn that fact the hard way.
    At first a massive gas deal with China, now, possibly, Japan.



    That is called hitting an enemy in it's center of gravity...
     
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    Hedging their bets is what it is.

    Hopefully, Europe will direct their consumption toward the Americas and the Middle East, now that they see that Russia is not to be trusted.
     
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    It's a good idea on Japan's part, they shouldn't want Russia to have exclusive ties with China. Japan has very high energy needs relative to its position.

    Russia is a lot more trustworthy than the middle east is. I think Russia is a great country :)
     
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    Then in few years after EU bankrupcy Russia would probably buy what is left of China's and US big purchase. Cheap russian resources will be purchased by any side. Including US. The resources is a main key to growth of competitiveness. EU refusal of resources because of obvious lies in US-owned media and orders of US-blackmailed politicians is a death penalty..., but not for Russia.
     
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    Most agressive country in the world+most unstable region in the world full of religious fanatics. Perfect choise, no less.

    Can they also have shale gas to finish off ecology?

    That is a nice Poklonskaya avatar out there!
     
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    Ideally Japan should keep investing in nuclear power, except that they shouldn't build them within range of the Tokyo area's natural disaster zone.
     
  7. Serfin' USA

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    Russia isn't the only one with cheap oil. ;)
     
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    Russia can be fully trusted, it's the 'Empire of Chaos' :unclesam: that can't be trusted. They shouldn't have gone along with the U.S. in order to destroy the Olympic games at Sochi, as well as supporting the Nuland militants in Kiev. Amazingly with all this, they still expect Russia to be a patsy and to carry Ukraine to the tune of five billion dollar in gas debt...not to mention all the other money it owes. Either the E.U. helps Ukraine pay the bill, or they help Russia facilitate the South Stream pipe line so it can bypass Ukraine the way they did in the north of Europe.

    Frankly I would like to know how they plan on helping Ukraine when the people can't afford to eat because of the trade disruptions with Russia, or doesn't human life matter to them?
     
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    Ha, here's a plan for you. The US can do one of the following, if this rather small pipeline presented a real threat.....

    1. Threaten to withdraw navy from Senkaku Islands :woot:

    2. Revoke their MNNA status, which has been giving them free guns and maintenance since 1991 :clapping:

    3. Retract their bases in the nation :cheerleader:

    4. Demand our rightful debt back :salute:

    Russia and the US are not in war, and the United States foreign policy is to only fight russia through international institutions. Its called legal and fair diplomacy. Not Russian war mongering.

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    Russia's oil has the lowest suphate contents. Venezuela has better oil, and theirs is actually the cheapest on the market. Venezuela, welcome back to the global stage :thumbsup:
     
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    All of Japan is a disaster zone. When they first invested in nuclear power, I thought to myself are they crazy? Frankly I think it's stupid for any nation to do so, I mean is economic success so important? Doesn't it end up in the hands of a few anyway? :confuse:
     
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    It doesn't matter how many pipelines Russia makes, they are economically tied to Europe. China has long bragged about achieving energy independence for a long time. As for Japan, OPEC gives them extremely low rate tariffs. These are not big markets for the Putin regime.
     
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    I don't know what Venezuela is doing now, but a few years ago they were shipping their oil to Russia to be refined. As for the other things you said, isn't that blackmail? But then again does the Empire of Chaos :unclesam: know anything else? Oh well what can be expected from this administration's Juvenile Delinquent :giggle: School of Diplomacy? As for Japan's debt, doesn't Japan own a chunk of the U.S., or has everything been sold?
     
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    Oh..................... its you. I'll just bid my time arguing elsewhere
     
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    As I read few days ago,EU requested from Bulgaria to stop building south stream....
     
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    True. And not only the oil. But gas, metal, uranium and chemical raw materials together with agricultural products... If EU has enough territory and will compete with traditional consumers of non-russian raw materials I expect:
    1) the rise of price for raw materials
    2) conflicts between EU and US with the forcing of the strongest in this pair to... reduce manufacturing capacities and level of living.

    Europeans are free to make a suicide if that is their wish. But Russia has a freedom not to commit such a suicide in order to save its enemies.
     
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    This is crazy, the US shouldn't and certainly won't sacrifice its relationship with Japan in an attempt to spite Russia. The EU is already pretty dependent upon Russian gas, why don't we stop dealing with them first?
     
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    Hardly a threat to consider taking into account how little US did to prottect their warmongering puppet in 2008.
    Hardly a threat to consider taking into account that Japan is word's 3-rd economy.
    Lol what?
    Maybe retract your occupation force out of their country?

    Not sure if serious. It is US which is in debt. In 2012 Japan held $1,119 trillion 'Murican obligations.
    Last time I checked US was the biggest warmonger in the World.
     
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    Well, at least you're honest about your allegiances.
     
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    I hate to rain on this Russian parade but there are 242 lawmakers in the upper house of the Japanese parliament and 480 lawmakers in the lower house.

    As per the OP whopping 33 lawmakers out of 722 are in support of this pipeline... I guess we should consider it a done deal then LOL
     
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    Like I said, nothings going to happen over a oil pipeline.
     
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    You can say whatever you want, but Japan's PM begged Obama to keep its navy in the Senkaku Islands. Japan doesn't have any conventional armies, and they rely 100% on naval defense.

    Answer me three questions, and don't play your usual beat around the bush game.....

    1. Do you not find that they are in debt 237% of their GDP alarming?

    2. Please tell me, where does Japan get arms if not from the US (China or France/Britain, both of which we know isn't possible, for a 100 reasons)

    3. Do you know how much money it costs to maintain and repair a warship?

    Its a free association agreement. Most of the allies have bases. Are you saying we withdraw when we have mutual BSA's in place?


    7% of our debt actually. National debts were actually invented by the Prussians to ensure economic growth through keynesian style stimuli. Unlike many uneducated people, I like keeping it relatively high for the moment.

    Coming from the guy who pardons Russia of all crimes :bored:
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Trying to isolate the bear when Hussein Obama blocks US pipelines and LNG ports is indeed futile.

    Europeans better be worried.
     

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