Japans new nuclear weapon program

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    It's hardly surprising given that in WW11, after some Japaneses cities were already fire bombed, two atomic bombs were dropped even though peace talks were ongoing at the time. These two bombs had no effect on ending the war, it was just a show of strength in the most disgusting way. However, this does not excuse Akuma hatred of the west and China - it does seem that he would be happy if both China and Japan were mutually destroyed.
     
  2. Gilos

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    That's the exact reason why a Nuke in Japanease hands would be very dangerous, I value your culture very much but being ruthless as it is...I wouldnt want it to own Nukes, other then that your arguments on Japan security against China sound very reasonable to me, its the Bushido way that's the problem..
     
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    But I understand where he is coming from and I wouldnt expect anything diffrent, he has a proud culture and history, unique in the world actually, it has a dark side to it ofc, im not denying that, but thier concerns today are very legit IMO.
     
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    No we didn't.
    Again. No although there was a famous photo published by Time magazine which showed an American soldier cleaning a skull.

    After Singapore Britain was largely out of the Pacific theatre with the exception of Burma which was relatively low key.

    It's funny how you denounce my statements and yet I've still remained receptive to yours.
     
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    Dresden did have factories which were producing war matériels and was a major communications line.

    It should also be noted that just under half of the participating aircraft were from the US and they also dropped the most bombs.

    And throughout the war this was the only questionable action that British forces executed and was subsequently found that it was justified. Although this is from the US point of view.

    Also my statement had a dual meaning as explained by PCFDobby.
     
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    I'd say it would be a nice thing to dismantle every nuclear weapon in the world, banning them as a world wide convenction which everyond is obligated to respect. The only problem being that not every nation will be ok with it. I think a weapon has a mean if it destroys only it's target, but a nuclear world war will cause massive damage to evey living being in the planet so it doesn't make any sense as a weapon.
     
  7. Akuma

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    I don´t think its ruthless. We are very rational. Japan has a unique history and no other nation worldwide has our pride in war. Japan lost only one war in 2660 wars. We have a stability that is unknown in any other nation.

    Nuclear weapons in our hands are not dangerous. We would only use it in case of danger. When we face invasion. We are an island empire. We have no large buffer zone we could retreat. If China starts to attack us i trust in our advanced technology. But technology alone does not win a war. So when things go desperate i would have no problem with ending our nation and half of the world. If we have to go, the world should follow us. Thats the idea behind it and its absolut logic. It guarantees the survival of our nation.
     
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    You too don´t understand what nukes are for. They secure that our nation is independend and free.
     
  9. Akuma

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    Your argumentation lacks one point, Why should your life or that of your people mean anything for me?
     
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    I frankly don't care if Japan does go nuclear. Luckily the Japan of today is not the pre-1945 Japan.

    But not a single Japanese person I know wants nuclear weapons in Japan. I think you are by far the exception.
     
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    You personally or your nation?

    But generally speaking we're all human beings and should be respected as such.
     
  12. Akuma

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    Our prime minister wants them as well. :) Abe supports it actively and he would not have the majority if not most woudl support him.

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    I respect human beings. I would never want harm for you or your people. But i see it rational.
     
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    Happy to hear it.

    Do you mean rationally? In what context?
     
  14. Akuma

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    I place my nation over evrything, your country means no harm to us, but if you would mean hatm i would not hesitate to stop this harm. In the end its not important for us if UK exists or not
     
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    Only if they are a credible Deterrant.
     
  16. Akuma

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    they are. japan is a leading technological nation. we could burn the entire world with us. japan did always beat china. we withstand them since 2660 years. and i would prfer death over chinese tyranny
     
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    I doubt if the UK has any interest in doing so. And I've not advocated anything of that sort should happen.

    So what you're trying to say that is that the UK is not a threat to Japanese national security, ergo not a concern.

    As for the actual topic itself, I don't agree with proliferation of nuclear arms because if the whole world has them then eventually someone will detonate a bomb.
    Also the odds of the PRC invading is not likely nor is it feasible for a long term occupation.
     
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    Yeah but they can just take what they want now. It is chinas time. , Japan's aging population needs to focus it on its adult diaper shortage and let Asia be controlled by its true master. The United States.

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    I think any nation that doesn't arm themselves though is retarded. Nukes are the best invasion defense ever created.
     
  19. Akuma

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    It is not Chinas time. They step a foot over our red line and we simply end them, like we always did. You fall for their cheap propaganda like so many americans do.

    And no, you are not our master. you may not know the concept of freedom amd democracy but we are our own master and free.

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    Even a short term occupation is unacceptable. no chinese soldier will ever step a foot on our land. If they try we nuke their yangtze dam and kill 1/3 of their people in an instant.
     
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    A nuclear bomb is a double edged sword. There are other examples of nuclear armed nations who have gone to war India/Pakistan for example.
    And it didn't prevent Argentina invading British territory despite the fact that we are nuclear armed.

    A war between the PRC and Japan would not be a straightforward war.
    And if successful for the PRC it would be a pyrrhic victory.

    I don't think they're interested. I think this business over the Senkaku islands or rather the waters is really more China flexing it's muscles.

    Do you the mean the three gorges dam? Well I doubt that many people live that close to it.
     
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    Freedom and democracy huh? Who forced that on you again? Who isn't your master? Show respect for your founding fathers! Great Japanese leaders like MacArthur.

    No one is nuking anyone. Calm yourself.

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    He thinks the flood will get them.
     
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    You'd have to amass a rather large arsenal to do this. Japan doesn't really have the space for an arsenal that large.
     
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    I keep this bookmarked just for people like you.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/nuclear_01.shtml
     
  24. Injeun

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    I sort of agree with the OP's sentiment. If I were a Japanese, I'd feel better if I had immediate access to weapons sufficient to defend myself against someone like China were they inclined to physical domination of my (Japan) country. On the other hand, nuclear proliferation is obviously a real and serious danger. This coupled with a treaty with the US would give me pause regarding nuclear ambition. But back to the beginning, self defense is a mighty potent trust where anything is possible in this world such as national aggression from others. But I don't believe that the US would ever back out of its obligation to defend Japan. And the US has an impressive military. As for the potential conflict of interest in our debt to China, we could always tell China that if they want their money they had better leave Japan alone.
     
  25. Akuma

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    Chinas main population centers are at the yangtze, shanghai for example would be gone in minutes. Survival rates at the yangtze shores would be almost zero. That dam is a very easy target and definitly on the target list of our army. It was even debated on TV. If we bomb their dam we can eliminate more enemies with one hit, than entire WWII caused.

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    Japan was a democracy since the 1890th so get your history facts straight. Our founding father is emperor Jimmu who created our empire 660 before christ.
     

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