Japans new nuclear weapon program

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    I have been to Japan many times and I understand Akuma even if we did have a rocky start once you get past the GO JAPAN NATIONALISM....he is a pretty nice guy.

    Anyways....there is a rising youth movement in Japan who are sick and tired of always hearing about getting their asses kicked during WWII and you know...I don't blame them.

    These kids had NOTHING to do with that past stupidity but yet they must bear the burden of being taught about it and hear it every day practically.

    Now...granted the Japanese of the late 1930's and up to 1945 committed atrocities....but kids like Akuma had nothing to do with it.

    I can't imagine a young American kid putting up with such talk from some people.

    Now...Akuma...I defended you...so no more MOON CONSPIRACY STUFF...OK? LOL!!!

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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I didnt' say Akuma had anything to do with the past, except that maybe its mistakes shouldn't be repeated. The Japanese are a very unique and admirable people.
     
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    Another thing....Japan has suffered from a lack of leadership in the 1990's and all the way to 2014 as Japanese Leaders have continually been on the wrong side of many issues....specific to their own people.

    An example of this is because the United States WROTE the Japanese Constitution which does not allow Japan from creating an Offensive Military Force only Defensive in Nature....the United States Military and especially Navy has massive bases in Japan as well we base an entire USN. Carrier Battle Group there.

    When Kitty Hawk was getting too old as Kitty Hawk was the last of our large Non-Nuclear Carriers to be in use specifically to defend Japan as due to Japanese Nuclear Sensitivities we refurbished Kitty Hawk and stationed her in Japan.

    But when we finally said...Kitty Hawk must go and we will be stationing the Nuclear Nimitz Class George Washington Battle Group in Japan instead....the current Japanese Leader ran on a platform and was elected promising he would ask the U.S. Navy to remove the George Washington Battle Group from being stationed in Japan.

    Now a U.S. Nimitz Class Carrier along with it's Battle Group which consists of at least 2 Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers which carry the SM-3 AMB/ASAT....a Anti-Ballistic Missile capable of destroying any incoming Chinese Nuclear Missiles as an SM-3 ABM/ASAT has been tested and destroyed a Hydrazine tank on a failing U.S. Satellite traveling at around 18,000 mph at ORBITAL DISTANCE.

    Aswell such a Carrier Group has Destroyers, Frigates, Attack Subs and of course a single U.S. Nuclear Carrier Battle Group posses more Nuclear Weapons that the entire country of China....so to say the least removing this U.S. Navy Carrier Group was not really a smart idea and NOT in the interest of protecting Japan.

    Just before the current Japanese Leader was to ask for the Carrier's removal...the Japanese Earthquake and Tsunami hit.

    The Japanese Government and Emergency Services were too poorly trained and equipped to deal with it on such a scale and the U.S. Navy Carrier Battle Group jumped into action with capabilities that the Japanese could not deliver as THOUSANDS of Japanese lives were saved as U.S. Navy Personal were able to get to hard hit areas that the Japanese Government and Military could not get to...and as well we sent in giant Hospital Ships to help with the patient overload.

    The U.S. Navy and Military did such a good job that when things started getting back to some kind of normalcy and the Japanese Leader again brought up the idea of asking the U.S. Military and Navy to remove their Carrier and Forces THE PEOPLE OF JAPAN TOLD THEIR LEADER....NO!!!!

    Japan is at a state in time where it needs to shoulder more of the burden and this might require amending it's U.S. Created Constitution.

    AboveAlpha

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    Oh...I wasn't saying you said anything wrong.

    I was just pointing out a few things in general.

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    Hey Akuma...your Kendo katana.....what length?

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    Actually although I like the Japanese I also know what a PAIN IN THE ASS they can be!!! LOL!!!

    I am BIG on Japanese Food especially Sushi and Sashimi.

    I went with an...associate of mine who introduced me to this place where an itamae...Master Sushi Chef would prepare sushi and sashimi for only two people and we walked in...the itamae was there along with his wakiita...apprentice....the word wakiita means....near the cutting board as all this guy seemed to be doing is slicing Scallions in tiny loops and strings.

    My associate is wealth and so am I but he insisted on paying as he brought me there.

    Later I found out such an experience...as the Chef will just hand you sushi and sashimi and he will brush on extremely expensive soy and you are expected to put the whole thing all at once in your mouth and NOT add anything to it.....no menue...the Chef just decides what you want.

    Cost?

    How does $4000.00 sound to you! NO B.S.

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    Self determination is a positive thing; not too sure about having a nuclear weapons program though, just seems a little excessive for a territorial spat. But I guess as humans we've done a lot worse for so little.
     
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    The thing is, Japan is completly unique worldwide. We have no other nation to identify with. Being the oldest nation on earth, oldest monarchy, having Shinto and a completly different history than any other nation in our league creates some isolated feeling. It is hard to explain. The japanese youth is much more conservative orientated than our parents generation. Having a sucessfull work life is not top priority anymore. Old values are on the rise. The imperial court is seen from most of my generation as the highest authority while politicians are seen as corrupt.
     
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    Imperial Court? LOL!!!

    Akuma...remember...I KNOW JAPAN.

    And while I will respect your beliefs I would have to say that among the Japanese youth....although a desire to Kick Ass concerning the actions of China are concerned....finding young people in Japan that have any desire to become part of a Political Movement specific to a rising Militarism would be difficult.

    If ANYTHING....before the Earthquake and Tsunami there were a much larger number of such youths and Japanese who wanted to separate themselves from basically being a U.S. Military Protectorate.

    But NOW....after the Japanese people THEMSELVES....told their Leaders to knock off any suggestion demanding the U.S. Navy or Military leave Japan....if anything a JOINT DEVELOPMENT of U.S. and Japanese Military Forces are in the cards to counter China.

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    Oh...and just to add....unlike other Japanese youths...YOU have decided to follow a specific Martial Arts Discipline which is ancient and expresses a specific Japanese Warrior DIVINE WIND concept into your mind every time you practice it.

    A person like me who knows a number of Martial Arts and as I told you I often spar with Gabriel Gonzaga former UFC Champion...too bad he lost the other day...who lives not too far from me and I have been learning forms of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu....but for me....Kendo, Aikido, Karate...etc....hold no other meaning for me other than being a TOOL.

    For someone like you who is Japanese....it has a much deeper meaning.

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    BUT...I do understand something about you.

    I think you get sick and tired of older Japanese telling you to be modest and be humble and not to cause waves...and that would drive me nuts if I had to listen to that my whole life as the Japanese people have been in a sort of self imposed state of Punishment especially the oldest since 1945.

    But....even though the United States Military is all over your country....it doesn't mean it is a BAD THING.

    When you talk about Japan sometimes like you have in this topic and you chose a VERY alarming to some topic and I KNOW WHY you chose it but even though I KNOW you don't care what others think...I am telling you in the way you are doing this it is putting your MIND out of alignment with your body and soul.

    And YOU of all people should know BALANCE is the key to either winning or accomplishing anything....being out of balance is ultimately self defeating.

    I think for you to regain balance...and this is just my opinion....you have to come to terms with a few things that you dislike but are not going to change to any drastic extent in your lifetime.

    So...you can fail to come to terms with such things and be constantly out of balance and unstable....or you can come to terms with a few realities and work within the realities and thus remain in balance.

    For you these issues are specific to U.S. Military Forces in Japan....as that will not change in either your or my lifetime....and for at least the foreseeable future....a Japanese Political System that itself cannot find balance....balance with the Japanese People and Balance with the unique and extremely close relationship with the United States.

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  11. AmericanNationalist

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    Your attacks are as impactful as your political IQ. I'll try, once more to educate you so feel free to actually listen. If you can't listen, then feel free not to reply as you're the only one even bothering in this "conversation".

    I'm *well aware* that this Nation first started out as a Constitutional Republic. I'm equally well aware that by the mid-1900's the Republic was killed by political apathy, the retardation of this country so much so that a scarce few people are even aware it was meant to be a Republic. Since then, the "mirage" of a "democracy" took its place, which as the Founders feared would strip the States and thereby the people of their rights.

    The so-called "democracy", whose economy is now vastly inflated, and real earning power has declined significantly is now more akin to an Oligarchy than anything else. I believe the fault of our decline is that the Founders trusted the "people" with political power in the country. Their idealism escaped the cruel, harsh reality that very few people are intellectuals, or scholars or have a political thesis.

    Maybe the English State of the 1800's could have upheld the Republic, but peasants such as yourself merely "brag" about reading the Constitution once and a while. Tell me, do you support Libertarianism? Do people in general?

    Most Americans have voted against those who want to control the purse, while complaining about the outrageous spending! It's clear that even a Republic is no longer sustainable, let alone this gross and weakening state of a "Democratic-Oligarchy".

    Speaking of documents read, Jefferson's first piece was the Declaration of Independence in which Jefferson gave us the confidence that if government, for any reason were to lose its faith and trust with the people could be abolished and a new government restored for the same purpose.

    It's clear that for the people's interests to be represented, it cannot be represented by political parties or by politicians but it can only be represented by Statesmen. Centralized Power would eliminate lobbying ability, as well as any foreign interest or influence. An Empire would so represent its people with the imagery of self-confidence, of concentrated political power. Citizens could produce as citizens, instead of failing the political process miserably as they always do.

    The only drawback, which exists with every political system(and this one even more so than the Empires of old) is that concentrated power could lead to abuse. But at least with only a few people in charge, its easy to identify the abusers in such a system. Can we identify the ones who've brought this magnificent country to its knees?

    The American State is beyond salvation with the "mainstream" political parties or with mainstream political thought. As long as our political system is "open" to certain political groups, we'll continue to run more in debt, holding money bags at our knees while watching everything we hold dear be torn to shreds.

    One cannot complain about the 1% while allowing the 1% to remain in political power.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/dick-durbin-banks-frankly_n_193010.html

    At least I've proposed the alternative that a nation of our geographical size, our military might shouldn't call itself some false democracy, but instead a glorious Empire.

    Ironically, I'll admit: The starting point for this Empire too, requires the political will of the hereto apathetic people. So who knows if we reform anything at all.
     
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    It's the United Kingdom which has been that way since 1707.
    Gandhi didn't do it by himself and if you took the time to actually study the British empire instead of reading a few pages of Wikipedia you'd know this and you'd also that Indian independence was a disaster.

    You'll also find that the western front was a joint effort.

    You mean the lease? And we did defend it from communists. I know this because my grandfather won the Colonial police medal during the riots.
    This particular incident involved a guy with a grenade who had run into a residential area and he decided he should make himself into a target so that civilians wouldn't be the victim.
    Show me your source

    It wasn't a financial disaster as we were keeping up with our payments to the US until the depression in which Hoover wrote it off.

    No. Because it was something beyond our control

    No we didn't. We introduced slaves into the colonies. These are two different things.

    No we didn't teach them. They had their own fighting style and depending on the tribe they would have sided with anyone.

    You mean taxation. You do realise that it was applied to the ports and government and not the general public.
    And as for the whole snobbish part. Well maybe if you stopped watching so many bad films then you'd actually have an understanding of history.
    Well if that's you opinion of yourself then who am I to argue. And no the empire did not collapse as we still had the Caribbean and southern India.

    To be honest. That was bad, really bad.
    You should go back to school and your grammar is awful as well.
     
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    Well....its always neat to see a person capable of giving himself oral pleasure, but Japan is not the only nation in the world that think its special, if fact I dont know many nations that DONT.
     
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    On June 29, 1763, a week after the siege began, Bouquet was preparing to lead an expedition to relieve Fort Pitt when he received a letter from Amherst making the following proposal: "Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them."

    Bouquet agreed, writing back to Amherst on July 13, 1763: "I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself."[2] Amherst responded favorably on July 16, 1763: "You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execreble Race."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt#Blankets_with_smallpox

    'we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.'

    http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html

    Quibbling
     
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    There's no proof that those particular Indians actually contracted small pox as a result of British action.
    And that is a singular incident. I'd be very surprised if that brought down the whole of the Indian population.

    No. There is a difference.
    You couldn't enslave someone within the Colonies because British common law forbade it.

    Also if you read the referenced sources. You'll find that it's not clear at all particularly if you read Fenn's article.
     
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    Exactly the opposite. You do not need to design a heat shield system to land on an asteroid...there is hardly any gravity to worry about.

    So when do you expect Japan to have it's first 1000 warheads complete? Can you estimate a date?

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    LOL, there is no way you can say that with a straight face. I am pretty sure Nanking would prefer Brit "tyranny" to what Japan did to them.
     
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    Your ancestors were. They accepted our mercy after they failed to resist our invasion. What did they know that you do not?

    This would be an alien feeling to Americans...we have never surrendered to a foreign power. We don't know what it is like to be invaded. We've destroyed or assimilated every culture that has threatened us so far.

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    Source?
     
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    That is confirmation bias on your part. You are seeing hatred that does not exist. Americans visit Japan all the time and buy Japanese products and consume Japanese media.

    I think you mistake chauvinism for hate...they are not the same thing. We can see another cultures as being inferior to us without hating them or wanting to oppress them. Despite my comments, I actually like Japan quite a bit. I do not think you are a typical example of most Japanese.

    Case in point. Japan has my full support. I am perfectly ok with Japan arming itself with nukes. I would even be ok with the US sharing technology and resources with Japan to speed up the process.

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    In this context it is irrelevant whether he is really like this or simply projecting an internet persona...because I have no doubt there are Japanese young people that share these beliefs.
     
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    Well, if that wasn't an interesting example of immature malformed ignorance, there's never been one.

    The "republic" died on a specific date. Run along and learn when the 17th Amendment was ratified.

    EVERYONE knew that the nation would be governed by politicians and not "statesmen", NOBODY expected "statesmen" would run the government, since they all knew that "statesmen" are rare and hard to find, whereas everyone can a make a politician with a healthy bean burrito. People expecting any government to be run by "statesmen" are people expecting bright pink sky fairies to rescue them, too.

    Political parties are the natural and inevitable consequence of large scale democracy, ain't no way else the system can work. Don't bother babbling that "this nation isn't a democracy it's a blah-blah-blah", the Mayor didn't specify what kind of democracy it was, or it currently is. In fact, there's no word to describe today's current system, because the 17th Amendment corrupted the process out of known classifications.

    What kind of immature fool seeks glory in empire? Society has matured beyond that, and so have the adults. There's no glory in possessing an empire, and fortunately the United States has never made the mistake of seeking one. Just in case you missed the history lesson, the United States gave Japan back, and Europe, and Iraq, and we're trying depserately to get rid of Trashcanistan, but King Obama isn't satisfied with the number of US troops killed, and wants more.

    So, grow up, little boy, come back when your posts are less incoherent. Don't worry about the Mayor's belief system, it's logically consistent and even weak minds should be able to determine it's thrust if they bathe in the Mayor's posts on a daily basis.
     
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    I guess that depends on how you define "nation"...I would argue China and India are far older. And Japan's current government is relatively young.
     
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    So, they want to pretend history didn't happen.

    Too bad for them. Pretending history will be different once they're in charge won't change history, but ignoring the reality of global politics can get them worse than a bloody nose.

    Wah wah wah. 100% of today's white AMERICANS have to hear from the white racist fascists that vote DemocRAT that America still has the stain of guilt of DemocRAT driven slavery. And we don't. Those white racists can't hide the heritage they've accepted by being racist DemocRATs today, and they want to share it around, as if their choice stains someone else's soul.

    Today's young japanese don't want to hear about the ass-whupping their nation got in the war their nation started? They need to keep hearing about it, because if they ever forget and start another war, the same damn thing is going to happen as happened in the last war they started. They'll lose, and get their asses sevevely kicked, and if they're not lucky in choosing who they fight, they better start learning Mandarin.

    Want to know why China is aggessive towards Japan? China hasn't forgotten Nanking.

    The young japanese should shut up and bow their heads in shame for what their grandfathers did. That stain won't wash off for another hundred years. Right now, it's still in living memory.

    Akuma has nothing to be proud of while that stain is fresh, and it will be fresh his entire life.
     
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    It's funny, that. Mars has the two hardest environmental problems associated with spaceflight, aerodynamic drag and gravity.

    Sure, aerobraking makes landing easier than on a body with equivalent gravity and no air, like the moon, but to idiotically proclaim that a microgravity approach to an asteroid is more difficult, because there's no gravity to get in the way, is just purest ignorance.

    Unlike Akuma, the Mayor's been building spacecraft for two decades, he actually knows what the difficult problems really are. Matching velocities isn't one of them.
     
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    Oh, that's called "hybrid vigor", lol!
     
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    We never had Iraq, the USSR possessed most of Northern Europe(and Russia still does to this day). And short of massacring a hell of a lot of Japanese, we wouldn't have maintained control of Japan anyway. When the ignorant call others ignorant, it's always good for a laugh so thank you ^.^

    My main problem with the Middle East in fact is that we've failed to really maintain any kind of cultural change in any of the aforementioned areas. But we created a "democracy" with Islamic Parties :D. (See: Libya/Syria as recent examples). There isn't a single Middle Eastern country devoid of Islam, 12 years later after the beginning of the war on terror.

    You're also grossly mistaken about the U.S position in Afghanistan, it was the U.S Government that gave an offer to the Afghan villages to remain for another decade and it was the villagers themselves who rejected the offer :D. We're not doing anything "desperately", except epic failure. In that regard, we're very desperate and successful.
     
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    We were capable of killing every last person on that island. We could have done it through a variety of ways. Our own morality was the only reason that did not occur. Japan exists today due to American mercy.

    The removal of Islam was never a goal of the war on terror. That was not the point of the war on terror. So there is no "failure" in that regard.
     

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