Jennifer Crumbley, mother of school shooter, found guilty of manslaughter in test of who’s responsib

I don't know what Michigan law has to say about this matter, but since the parents didn't participate in the shooting I'm opposed to the criminal charges and verdict, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it got overturned on appeal.

That being said, I can see how other criminal charges might be appropriate here, but again I'm not familiar with Michigan law.

 

Not in the loop? If you are an Uber driver and a bank robber tells to you wait outside the bank, and 10 mins later he comes back running with a sack full of money, then they'd probably would not charge you because you had no idea what he was up to.

 

Great point (horrible precedent).

 

Maybe they will start locking up single moms when their kids commit crimes in gangs. I'd suggest they start building more prisons, especially for women, because they are going to need them. Also, it will encourage the father to walk away from parenting out of fear of the kid landing him in prison. Or maybe they'll shift the burden and the risk to the foster care system, but who'd want to adopt a kid who might land them in prison?

 

Tough call. Clearly a case of negligent parenting.

...I don't think the law is going to make bad parents better parents. But I don't have any better ideas either.

 

No, it won't make them better, it makes them into new inmates in the prison system, and it makes the kids as new kids in "the system".

 

The biggest fail on mass shooters are government agencies not doing their jobs.

Doubt we'll see any of THEM being held responsible.

 

Facts are facts no matter how they make you feel.

Kind of like the facts on children of single mothers, which is where this all really stems from.

 

If parenting were involved, they wouldn't be criminals.

 

Do you have a solution?

I see it like this- I would never sell a gun to a 15 year old, nor would I sell a gun to someone who was complaining of hallucinations, hearing voices and drawing pictures of shooting people, because I feel like I would be guilty if I did and they went on a shooting spree. Now, of course its a bit different when that person is your child, I can see how it would be difficult to think 'maybe my son is a deranged murderer'...

I don't disagree with you on any particular point. But I also don't think 'oh well, it happens' is acceptable in this circumstance either.

 

This is your neighborhood on feminism, welfare, and victim mentality.

"Encourage the father to walk away"? Most of these women wouldn't know who the father was.

 

Yeah that's a scenario I didn't think about, but another example where the law can get grey. Some prosecutors may charge the driver, it's just too obscure to make such a judgement.

 

Yeah. I have to totally agree. I have to admit to not knowing all of the details of the case but when you start arresting parents for this stuff then where does it stop? We don't arrest surviving pilots when they commit human error and people die, unless they were negligent in some way, such as being under the influence. Like I said, where does this stuff stop? One thing I did hear about this case is that they had a meeting with school counselors that day and even they were caught off guard by this and yet the parents were found guilty. Are they going to try the school counselors next?

 

Never let it be said that democratic prosecutors aren't willing to ignore the actual law to advance their willingness to persecute the innocent. It's all part of the plan to induce public opinion against gun ownership so folks won't ever be able to defend themselves against the thugs of government.

 

I just read a little while ago that one of the jurors decided to vote guilty because the mother did not "secure" the gun. I don't even know what that really means. In most homes, guns ARE secure, but the left will vote you guilty if the guns are not secured in a Fort Knox safe.

 

The mother supplied the minor child with the gun and provided no security for it.

 

The parents definitely aren't completely innocent here and neither is the school. As has already been mentioned, how can you fault the parents but not the school officials?

I do, however, think the parents were overcharged. What if the teenagers takes the car keys and runs down a group of people? Do we charge the parents for leaving the keys on the kitchen table? What if the teenager had already gotten one speeding ticket before? Are the parents now 'aware' that they are a poor driver and that increases their responsibility?

Where does this end? The precedent set with this is pretty scary. I think a lot of lefties supporting this are letting their gun fetish cloud their judgement. To what degree are you responsible for what your teenager does? Also, when does that responsibility end? Would it end at 18? Your kid kills some people a day before he turns 18 and you're now guilty of manslaughter but it happens a day later and you don't get charged at all? Make it make sense.

 

Jennifer Crumbley guilty verdicts..

" An exception is when they did something to contribute to the commission of the crime or encouraged the criminal in their actions."

https://www.findlaw.com/family/paren...liability.htm

 

Yes, it boils down to "something to contribute", like teaching your kid to handle firearms.

 

Which was/is irrelevant in the Jennifer and James Crumbley case.

 

A secured gun usually means the time to get it out for use means you're likely already dead.

 

Parents are responsible for the behavior of their children.

Pedophiles are overwhelmingly republicans and conservatives in this country. Are we going to start punishing the mothers, and possibly the fathers, of kids who grow up to join the clergy and the republican party ?

 

this one had extreme facts but many criminal defense attorneys were saying it set a dangerous precedent. For example, this precedent could easily be applied to -as someone previously noted-to go after gang banger parents. In this case, the mother was charged with knowing her son was seriously mentally ill and allowing him easy access to firearms. Now if a parent knows their child is a member of a criminal gang and allows the child access to firearms or drugs or vehicles and as a result someone dies, then it seems to me that the same charges are in order.

 

that's utter bullshit and priests tend to be liberal. and Catholics tended to be democrats but right now its pretty much a wash

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...l-u-s-catholics-are-sharply-divided-by-party/

while Catholics once were more likely to vote Democratic, they have never been monolithic politically. Today, Catholics are evenly split between the two major parties and are sharply polarized, much like the broader U.S. public....
Collectively, however, Catholics essentially balance themselves out at the polls on the national level.

 

agreed