Jewish Identity Administration named as fascist.

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Firstly, Israel is NOT a ' jewish ' State- although many would like it to be and many think, erroneously, that it already is. 25% of Israeli citizens are not even jewish. With such a large non-jewish population it is impossible that the State can be ' jewish '.
    Of course, hardliners could increase the tempo of their ethnic-cleansing agenda in order to raise the jewish majority in Israel. The removal of non-jewish Israelis is often proposed by Knesset extremists but, with the world watching, they settle, temporarily, for pro-jewish legislation instead. Is that racist ? Of course it is- but they have gotten away with it on many occasions.
    On the other hand the extremists could simply abandon any vestige of democracy and hand absolute political power to Israeli jews. The ' jewish ' State would then be a fait accompli , the downside being that Israel would be exposed as an undemocratic and fascist entity and unworthy of world support, particularly US of AIPAC support which keeps the entire Israeli concept afloat. Neither option then is practical- and that is why no ' jewish ' State exists. A jewish ' homeland ', perhaps. A jewish ' state ', only in the minds of the misinformed and the accuracy-challenged.

    So desperate were the extremists to pursue what is in effect the broken dream of a ' Greater Israel ' that they introduced the concept of a ' loyalty oath ' . This demanded that everybody pledged allegiance to a ' jewish ' state which didn't actually exist. It was, of course, calculated to produce one and such open fascism met with a good deal of sensible opposition. Now, this ' Jewish Identity Administration ' is from the same stable. It is conjured by a society which has a preoccupation with victim-hood and an obsessive preoccupation with community decline. Much of its legislation has abandoned civil liberties and much more of it is planned to do so. The ethical restraints of Knesset extremists are mirrored by the brutal actions of its executive ethnic-cleansing arms, the IOF and the squatters. In those respects Israel is a fascist State, not even close to representing the will of the majority of the world's jewry. How will it treat this consultant whisteblower ? Let's see.


     
  2. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Theocracies are all bad. What is worse is fascism disguised as religion- and actually preying upon the beliefs of the gullible and the weak-minded .

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    http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm
     
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    You subscribe to Ha'aretz? Or did you just read the headline.
     
  4. moon

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    Bennett Appoints Settler Extremist Rabbi as Chief of “Jewish Identity Administration”

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2...i-as-chief-of-jewish-identity-administration/

    One could simply say, "Ronski is the wrong man for the job." But there's a logical flaw in that sentence. The job shouldn't exist, so no one could be right for it.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...heads-new-jewish-identity-administration.html

    Ex-IDF chief rabbi takes over Israel's new Jewish Identity Administration

    http://bonosrama.newsvine.com/_news...er-israels-new-jewish-identity-administration

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  5. Bishadi

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    The children are the worst victims as they dont know any better, unless they look (be honest with themselves).

    The idea that 'homeland' is what they are focusing on, is scary as then it may enable the pursuit of the Dome, over time.

    Religious rituals, the pursuit and the oppression it is causing in the ME is horrid.

    "The cancer is spreading, what is the next course of action, doctor?"
     
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    So the answer is no....got it.
     
  7. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes Moon, I agree. Every single Middle East country is a theocracy, and of course they're all bad. Except Israel, of course - they are democracy.

    Took a while, but we've finally agreed on something :)

    off topic removed
     
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    Dutch , so you think Israel is a democracy , do you :

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    now that is one helluva piece of specious reasoning, fraught with misrepresentations, speculation, and full of trite epithets that have been repeatedly debunked. Fer instance, the loyalty oath didn't pass the knesset - oops.

    But perhaps the most compelling top line rebuttal to your position is that with all the nefarious machinations of jews and zionists to establish a jewish state, manipulate its demographics, limit the rights of non-jews, kiss American ass (when its not controlling it, that is), engage in immoral and illegal "ethnic cleansing", etc. etc., it still has 1.7 million of the richest non-oil trust fund muslim arabs on the planet and whose population continues to steadily increase each year.

    hmmmmmmmmm. something is terribly wrong. Either the dastardly devious manipulative jews are completely incompetent in achieving their facist dreamland or the premise is nothing more than the inflammatory rhetoric of the zealous anti-zionist and/or jew hater.
     
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    Really? Are there Muslim parties in the Knessett? Is there diversity of thought? Do people have the right to vote?
    hmmmmmmmmmm
     
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    The Knesset has some kind of internal council, I forgot what it's called, where they can declare another political party ineligible to run for election. So they have just arbitrarily said that certain people can't run.

    Now I can't imagine how it can be considered democratic when people in power can stop other people from democratically gaining power at their own choice.

    Incidentally, this is not unique to Israel. Not this council, but I mean it's not unique to have some kind of institution which invalidates a democracy. Many democracies have it including the USA.

    Democracy I think is very fragile and delicate.. It's something where everything has to be EXACTLY right and even the slightest thing wrong, or even a single law or policy, can invalidate it.. It is not proven merely by the fact they have votes. In fact, I can't think of any country in the world which actually has it.. Some come closer than others.
     
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    It is the Central election committee and it takes its role seriously. One party they banned was Meir Kahane's party Kach, and its resurgence Kach Chai. Reason, it bans parties the promote racism.

    When the committee tried to ban United Arab List-Ta'al, the Supreme Court overturned it. Sounds like democracy at work to me.
     
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    Thomas Edison

    business rules

    Patent law enables power. The evidence is found of tesla's flourescent light by Edison. They held the patents, knew it was wrong but business need hold no virtues (invisible hand).

    Combine the power, to buy the senate/congress. It is why AIPAC is such a powerful lobby!
     
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    Do you think that a party that openly calls for the destruction of the state should be allowed to run for its parliemnet ?
     
  15. moon

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    " Oops " indeed. I didn't actually say that that particular piece of fascist legislation ' passed the Knesset '. :mrgreen: However....;


    The fascist Jewish Identity Administration is from the same stable. Try, if you can, to demonstrate to us how one piece of fascists legislation differs subtly from the other piece of fascist skullduggery . Then your most recent blunder might be forgiven.
     
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    Just like any french guy cannot name is ansestors from the 1700th, nor the German and certainly the citizens of the US.
    Still there are German people, french and we don't dimantle the USA.

    The Israeli Jews speak in the same language that was spoken 3500 years ago, I don't see any other nation doing that.
    As a matter of fact, due to them also the Israeli Arabs speak Hebrew, that was spoken in Israel 3500 years ago.
    The Israeli Jews worship the same god that was worshipped in Israel 3500 years ago.
    They call their cities in the same names for the last 3500 years, you may know some of those names, for example: Jerusalem.
    I don't see the any other nation calling the same city the same name for so long....
     
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    I thought you said Israel is not a Jewish state....so whats the problem to swear alligence to the non-Jewish state called Israel where they just happen to live in ?
     
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    After the disbanding of Kach/Kahane Chai , its members simple joined /infiltrated other Jewish extremists parties . like

    Otzma LeYisrael/
    Hazit Yehudit Leumit/
    Eretz Yisrael Shelanu/
    Yisrael Beiteinu
    etc.etc . And continue operating under another Alias.

    According to Haaretz Avigdor Lieberman was a former Kahanist , which he naturally would deny . Have anyone ever known any of those guys admitting /confessing to their murky past. ?

    US List of known Kahanists groups and Aliases



    American Friends Of The United Yeshiva
    American Friends Of Yeshivat Rav Meir
    Committee For The Safety Of The Roads
    Dikuy Bogdim
    Dov
    Forefront Of The Idea
    Friends Of The Jewish Idea Yeshiva
    Jewish Idea Yeshiva
    Jewish Legion
    Judea Police
    Judean Congress
    Kahane Tzadak
    Kfar Tapuah Fund
    Koach
    Meir's Youth
    New Kach Movement (New York chapter)
    No'ar Meir
    Repression Of Traitors
    State Of Judea
    Sword Of David
    The Committee Against Racism And Discrimination (CARD)
    The Hatikva Jewish Identity Center
    The International Kahane Movement
    The Jewish Idea Yeshiva
    The Judean Legion
    The Judean Voice; The Voice of Judea
    The Qomemiyut Movement
    The Rabbi Meir David Kahane Memorial Fund
    The Way Of The Torah
    The Yeshiva Of The Jewish Idea
    Yeshivat Harav Meir

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    Kahanist are still very much alive.

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    why do people still call them a racist state when there's arabs in goverment and army? that doesnt seem very apartheidy to me..
     
  20. moon

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    Show us the wording of this ' oath ' you are proposing :mrgreen:
     
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    America has 'republicans', which are voted into office, because of democracy.

    religious views cannot govern

    people do
     
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    Don't be confused between a totally fascist State wherein racism is a fait accompli and a State somewhere on the ladder.
     
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    Is'nt the wording of the oath - swearing allegiance to the "JEWISH State of Israel " ?


    Correct me.


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    I have lines to the first century
    That's a flammer of a comment.

    Israel aint existed not even a century.
    Thank Ahkanatan

    Amarna tablets put his empire, in what is now jerusalem....... 3500 yrs ago!

    Akkadian (first semitic language), is what the tablets are written in, them tablets supercedes any date line of torah, bible, quran or any interpretation there of.
    Again, thank Ahkanatan.... He is who began the schism of egypt, created the monothesim, roamed the desert, built the temple (amarna), and was in contact with canaan-syria- (jerusalem), 3500 yrs ago and its recorded in stone, from that very period of any believe exodus or creation of hebrew.

    Akkadian evolved, just as the religious beliefs do.

    ie.... judaism gets its circumcision from 'god' (the pharaoh)

    2nd.... the commandments are found in egypt, 4500 yrs ago
    the city is the 'gate of the god'

    The word for that meaning is 'babilu'
     
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    Which party has made such a call ?

    Did anyone actually say "destruction of the state " ?


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