Joe Biden wants to ban all semi auto firearms

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny thing about H.R.1808 - Assault Weapons Ban of 2022, because it defines 53 different terms relating to firearms, and after all the definitions, it begins a new section about the ban itself, and it says:

    "“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon."

    However, "semiautomatic assault weapon" is NOT defined in the 53 definitions they offer.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    He has never bothered to even discuss what guns were used before during and after the unconstitutional bullshit by Clinton
     
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    I was referring to school shootings.
     
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    He's regurgitating talking points - nothing more.
     
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    Yes it does define what a assault weapon is

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text

     
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    Ok. Thanks. I did a search and only one came up, but now I see it.

    How come you deleted the line where it says specifically says "rifle"? You literally removed that line from the text.


    “(40) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

    “(A) A semiautomatic rifle that—
    • “(i) has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; and
    • “(ii) has any 1 of the following:
    • “(I) A pistol grip.
    • “(II) A forward grip.

    • (III) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.
    “(IV) A grenade launcher.
    “(V) A barrel shroud.
    “(VI) A threaded barrel.
     
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    Cherry picking does not establish something as a fact. Next argument, please.
     
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    It would be a fallacy to assume the drop was just a coincidence.
     
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    "Restrictions on large-capacity magazines are the most important provisions of assault weapons laws in part because they can produce broader reductions in the overall use of high-capacity semiautomatics that facilitate high-volume gunfire attacks. Data on mass shooting incidents suggest these magazine restrictions can potentially reduce mass shooting deaths by 11% to 15% and total victims shot in these incidents by one quarter, likely as upper bounds. It may take several years for the effects of these laws to be fully realized, however, depending on their specific provisions, especially with regard to treatment of pre-ban weaponry."
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1745-9133.12485

    The ban is worth another shot. Lives are at stake.
     
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  11. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    do you realize how stupid that is for the following reasons

    1) there are millions upon millions of these magazines
    2) each year the military discards or loses thousands upon thousands of M16/AR 15 magazines
    3) they are easily made with 3D printers
    4) gun banners such as you will continually demand lower and lower legal capacities
    5) people willing to commit mass murder will ignore those laws-and thus homeowners who don't have time to prepare for home invasion will be handicapped
    6) you want to turn honest gun owners into criminals
     
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    We have over 1 billion of these right now. What are you going to do about those?

    We could lock up all males age 15 to 26 in re-education camps and greatly reduce our violence numbers. Given that, should we?
     
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    the drop is bullshit because it didn't discuss which guns were used before during and after the ban
     
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    Joe Biden wants to ban all semi auto firearms

    ~ Most of America wants to ban Joe Biden ...

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    Feel free to prove me wrong.
     
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    The Parkland shooter used 10 round magazines. That destroys your magazine limit argument.
     
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    I copy and pasted. It must have missed it somehow. I wouldnt have done that intentionally. However under that same section there is a subsection that includes semi auto pistols. Continue reading down to see it. It is labeled as (D) in section (40)
     
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    HE wants to impose idiotic harassment on honest gun owners based on speculation that ignores current reality. the weenie who wrote that article is guessing what would happen while ignoring the real cost it would impose
     
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    The goal to disarm the American public will not end at rifles or even pistols. In fact in the bill that is now sitting in congress does not allow for the transfer of the grandfathered guns. It doesn’t even give an exemption for inheritance. In other words they will be confiscated as soon as the owner passes.
     
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    Why did you leave out sections E and F?

    "``(E) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has
    the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
    ``(F) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any one of the
    following:
    ``(i) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.
    ``(ii) A pistol grip.
    ``(iii) A fixed magazine with the capacity to
    accept more than 5 rounds.
    ``(iv) The ability to accept a detachable magazine.
    ``(v) A forward grip.
    ``(vi) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher."
     
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    Which bill is this?
     
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    Unless you make illegal and then confiscate the millions upon millions of magazines in the US, banning new ones will have zero effect.
    Zero effect.
     
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    I'm sorry you do not like the fact you cannot prove cause and effect, but that's your problem.
     
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    I quoted the part which he posted, about "semiautomatic assault weapon", which referred to rifles.

    Why did you edit the text from 15 rounds to 10?

    "“(E) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed ammunition feeding device that has the capacity to accept more than 15 rounds."

    As for shotguns, there are models which accept more than 5, but most pump-action shotguns take no more than 5.

    Either way, this bill doesn't have any chance to pass Senate, so its another "designed to fail" bill and we have seen enough of those.
     
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  25. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Not having the votes doesn't make it ok.
     

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