John Bolton's screw up in Venezuela

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  1. precision

    precision Well-Known Member

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    John Bolton was in such a hurry to get rid of Maduro in Venezuela that he hatched a half baked plan that blew up in his face. Although he was able to dupe Trump into going along with his half baked nonsense, now Trump is starting to get cold feet about the matter.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/03/politics/trump-caution-bolton-venezuela/index.html

    A couple of points:

    1. Bolton does not seem to realize that by openly pushing so hard for this coup, that he is making it very difficult for the military in Venezuela to support it without being seen to be a puppet of the US, thus weakening the image of the military.

    2. Bolton does not seem to realize that there are still quite a few people who support Maduro.

    3. Even amongst people who would like to see Maduro go, some of them don't want to be in bed with the US to make it happen.

    Too bad we are stuck with Bolton for a couple of more years.
     
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    Talk about a keystone cops performance! :roflol::roflol:

    First Bolton has his man go out in public and proclaim that he has the support of the main military:

    Then Mike Pompeo commits the US to this epic fail with this nonsense

    https://nypost.com/2019/04/30/guaido-calls-on-venezuelans-to-rise-up-and-oust-maduro/

    Poor Mike Pompeo! :roflol::roflol:

    Now Guiado is saying that he needs more soldiers. What happened to all that stuff about having the support of the main military? Is not the main military enough? :roflol::roflol:

    https://nypost.com/2019/05/04/venezuelas-juan-guaido-says-he-overestimated-military-support/

    Bolton pushed him up to that half baked crap. Now he is out on a limb and is looking to Bolton get the US military to come in and bail him out! :roflol::roflol:

    Man, these people are something else!!!!
     
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    It turns out Bolton has been working on the defense minister in Venezuela for some time now. Here's a story from March 29

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-v...ity-adviser-sending-me-messages-idUKKCN1RA2LJ

    Didn't seem to be making much headway there.

    So what likely happened is that Bolton tried to buy them. Consider this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-early-morning-parade-we-will-never-surrender
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump contradicts his own advisers, says Putin 'not looking' to get involved in Venezuela

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...is-own-advisers-says-putin-not-looking-to-get

    President Trump on Friday claimed Russian President Vladimir Putin is not "looking at all to get involved" in Venezuela, contradicting some of his top advisers who have condemned Moscow for bolstering embattled President Nicolás Maduro.

    Trump spoke with Putin over the phone for more than an hour on Friday, and the two discussed North Korea, trade, the special counsel's investigation and the ongoing situation in Venezuela.
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    I seem to recall another instance when Individual 1 took Putin's word in contradiction of US officials.
     
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    Looks like Bolton was duped. Here he is making his appeal to key figures in Venezuela after his plan failed.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...enezuelas-maduro-to-abandon-him-idUSKCN1S62EL

    Someone needs to tell Bolton that he put the kiss of death on his plan by doing that. If the military were to do what Bolton put forward, they would be viewed as Bolton's puppets.

    Damn, its amazing that people in these positions cannot think properly.
     
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    I think that getting involved in Venezuela stuff has been taken out of context. Everyone knows Russia has been and continues to be involved in Venezuela. I think he may have meant direct military intervention.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You give Don too much credit. Between executive time, tweeting, golfing, watching Faux, calling Hannity, holding rallies, and traveling to Mar-a-Lago he likely is relying on his friend Vlad to learn what is happening in Venezuela.
     
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    Fear not! OcraZio Cortez has troops on the front lines! Oh ... looks like the demo-socialist feminista guerrillas support Maduro. ::(:
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/codepink-venezuela-white-savior-embassy
     
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    Well if he is that damn dumb and uninformed, we are in very, very big trouble.
     
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    Sounds like you think that loose-screw-and-Bolton is doing a fine job in Venezuela. Bully for you old chap!!! :applause:
     
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    Now this is pure speculation on my part, but what if Maduro, Padrino, Moreno, and Hernandez conspired to make a fool out of Bolton and Guiado? What if they mislead Bolton into believing they would support the coup so that Bolton and Guiado could go out in public and make a fool of themselves?

    WOW!! Now that would be brilliant!
     
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    Mercenaries make good money. Man up like the ladies and storm Maduro's palace. Either that or press your congressional reps to re-instate the draft. Start with college grads who've defaulted on their loans. They don't have jobs to lose, and we can offer to wipe out their debt in exchange for their sacrifice. Start calling Maduro a nazi too, ANTIFA will send reinforcements.
     
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    Oh!!! So that's it! Your boy Bolton is trying to put some big bucks in his buddy Erik Prince's pocket. Damn! Son of a gun!!!

    https://taskandpurpose.com/erik-prince-venezuela

    It never ceases to amaze me how that Dick Cheney, Erik Prince crowd have been able to profit from US wars. Amazing. I wonder how they can sleep at night by making money from causing so much suffering.
     
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    Wow! You've opened my eyes to the opportunistic manipulation of the US military complex! :roll: I just think it's gand demo-socialist feminista's are supporting the socialist dictatorship, and the DNC's new Pax Americana war-mongers oppose it. Plenty of will within the DNC to purge party dissent through bloodshed in Venezuela. So Bolton has the support of half the DNC no matter what he decides. :thumbsup:
     
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    Well I am glad to have helped clear up your vision! Bully for me!!! :applause::applause::applause:

    Now if I could just get you to see how war party, warmonger Republicans like Cheney, Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte, and John Bolton bear the preponderance of responsibility for the nonsense that is US foreign policy these days, I would have a considerable sense of accomplishment.
     
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    Y'all dumb. Blackwater was sent in by the US. It's always been a part of South America.

    Look on a map for Niger-aqua. It's Spanish for Blsckwater.
     
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    Why? Because voters control the US military complex and the CIA who starts the dirty little wars they equally profit from? Trump was almost the victim of a coup himself and half the country is sorry it wasn't successful. As reprehensible as they sometimes are, the disorder they create is preferable to a singular authoritarian new world order IMO. My advice, choose a side, raise your voice, cast your ballot and buy a gun. We're importing way too many willingly submissive peasants, for lack of a better description, and raising too many paper tigers to defend our own sovereignty.
     
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    We already know he gets most of his info from right wing media.

    Pompeo Floats US Military Intervention In Venezuela: ‘No Option Is Off The Table’

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pompeo-venezuela-us-military-intervention-trump

    These morons in the admin need to get their story straight. Cuz right now Bolton and Pompeo have a completely different take on US foreign policy regarding Venezuela than the Idiot-in-Chief does.
     
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    Voters don't control the US military complex and the CIA.

    The only reason to not be sorry is because it would have put a more refined idiot, Mike Pence, in charge. At least with Trump it is clear that he is a fool. Because Mike Pence is more refined, its harder for people to tell he is stupid.

    What you don't understand is that under Bolton's rule, the world is evolving into just the type of authoritarian world order that you don't prefer.

    My advice to you is that the guns you, and people who think like you, have are not going to be any match for the army of mechanized robots that Bolton and the elite crowd will have at their disposal. Hope you got a backup plan other than dying with your gun.
     
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    Goes to show Trump is just being manipulated and Bolton does not know what he is doing.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/8403...lton-embroiling-potential-venezuelan-quagmire
     
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