I agree that in the very early days of occupation the expectation of the Israeli government was that it was going to have to withdraw for peace. The arabs reaction blew that expectation out of the water. And now, Likud led governments continue Sharon's "facts on the ground" strategy. Nobody should mistake Likud as interested in anything short of eretz israel from river to sea. Yes, thanks for the clarification. At this point, I doubt that tolerance and trust can be much lower than zero. cheers.
Yes they did. Just like the arabs destroyed hundreds of synagogues. Justification? congregations no longer existed. Can muslim Israelis openly practice their religion? do they have access to their holy sites? Can christian Israelis openly practice their religion? do they have access to their holy sites? Does the Knesset AND the average Isareli object when the fanatic haredim attempt to impose religious restrictions on secular Israeli society?
No, most of them left on their own. And if you want to know who I blame for those camps, it is the other Arab nations. Instead of allowing them to emigrate (they looked down upon and did not like Palestinians either), they forced them into camps and treated them as trespassers. Heck, even Trans-Jordan treated them like pestilence infected beggars in land that had been set aside for them by the UN! If not for Israel, the West Bank would still be part of Jordan. They never made a single move until after Israel took them during the wars. The Jordanians and Egyptians shoved them into refugee camps and the worst ghettos of the area, refusing to allow the "Palestinian State" to exist. If the Arabs really cared about Palestine, then why was there no Palestine in 1947? They had 20 years, from 1947-1967 to release their territory and create Palestine, but they made absolutely no efforts to ever do so. And in the Gaza Strip, it was even worse! In 1948, Egypt allowed the "All-Palestinian Government" to come into being in the Gaza strip, and that lasted for 11 years until 1959. At that time Egypt forcibly disbanded that Palestinian Government and occupied the Gaza Strip. And that occupation remained in place until 1967. So tell us again how well Palestine was treated by the Arabs.
#1. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs were expelled from Israel. #2. Jordan was almost expelled from the Arab League when they annexed the West Bank. #3. Transjordan was NOT set aside by the Mandate for the Arabs of Israel to move to.
Jonsa, et al, The "Likud Party" is not the only influence. (COMMENT) I think that Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, Israels senior negotiator in the meetings with Palestinians, might be able to turn things around. And SHE is a key member of the Hatnua (The Movement). While I agree that both the Jewish Home Party (right-wing, ultra-nationalist and religious political party) and Likud Party (center-right, secular party, with a free market capitalist and liberal agenda) currently hold most of the power cards; it is tenuous. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Likud) while having a very strong voice in Israel, he is not well received in White House. And US support of Israel is critical to the stability of the situation. However, Minister Livni voice is not so resounding in Israel, SHE and the White House see the Jewish Homeland based on 1967 borders, as the most viable position to take. Yes, it sounds true --- that the Likud Party probably does want a larger Israel, encompassing the West Bank, but it cannot afford it. Economically, the Palestinians are beyond redemption, and they cannot carry their own weight --- such an annexation would drive Israel into bankruptcy. Not to mention that the sudden rush of hostile Palestinians into the voting arena would make all the political parties in Israel obsolete. Israel would cease to be a Jewish Homeland and the promise of the HAMAS Covenant would start the transition. Most Respectfully, R
not how it works. She can only do the bidding of the government. It was a masterstroke by Bibi to appoint her as it makes him look somewhat sincere. coalition governments always "enjoy" tenuous rule. That is how it works. A jewish homeland "based" on the green line, is not the same thing as a jewish homeland with the green line as its borders. Diplospeak is deliberately opaque. I think you totally misunderstand what likud et al.'s vision of an annexed west bank and jerusalem actually is. For all intents and purposes it means an ethnically cleansed west bank and jerusalem, or more accurately a dramatic ethinic reduction, thru expulsion. In their wetdreams they see the palestinians self deporting themselves to Jordan, Lebanon, Tunisia and Syria etc. IOW an impossible to obtain ideological objective that can only serve to perpetuate the occupation and the conflict. Everyone in the neo-zionist movement is aware of the demographic threat that annexation with the full palestinian population in place would represent to the jewish homeland. Kinda makes one wonder, wot?
Sorry to say that the 'nomenclature' <Palestinian> was opted for by Arafat in 1964 and not before that... I presume you are talking about the Arabs of Palestine.
I have reported you to the moderators... Read here, click on the link http://www.masada2000.org/arafat-plo.html Second Paragraph The seeds of the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) were first sown in 1956 by an EGYPTIAN, Ahmed Shukairy. He was the guiding light of this terror group and is remembered today as the one who coined the organization's famous slogan about "driving the Jews into the sea." Yasser Arafat took control of the PLO in 1964.
The being of light of NDE fame seems to agree with Jordan as Palestine??!! (Dannion Brinkley, page 26, Saved By The Light, Scribd version) Dannion Brinkley: ......................"Boxes four and five were scenes from the Middle East, showing how this area of eternal strife would reach a boiling point. Religion would play a large role in these problems, as would the economy. A constant need for outside money fueled much of the anger and hatred that I saw in these boxes.In the first of these boxes I saw two agreements taking place.In the first, Israelis and Arabs were agreeing to something, but what was unclear to me.The second accord was one that I could see in some detail. Men were shaking hands and there was much talk about a new country. Then I saw a collage of images: the River Jordan, a settlement from Israel that was spreading into Jordan, and a map on which the country of Jordan was changing color. As I watched this puzzling collage unfold, I heard a Being speak telepathically to me and say that the country of Jordan would exist no more. I did not hear the name of the new country."
You don't need the approval of Mr. Dannion Brinkley to Jordan being the New Palestine . IT WILL HAPPEN. Syria's condition will send flames on the Jordanian king's kingdom, Palestinians will take over the country !!!
MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!! MYTH ALERT!!! OMG in this day and age of access to verifiable information, I cannot believe that this stale old Zionist Myth is still out there, ready to be posted seriously. Multi-archive studies by Israeli historians have shown it to be utter nonsense. In fact it was shown to be so in The Spectator Papers in 1961!!
An article that speaks for itself... we are Aug 18, 2013 and we do not dig old smelly garbage. Jordan can still be Palestine http://www.i24news.tv/en/opinion/130814-jordan-can-still-be-palestine Dear leftists, the Arab Spring is here in full swing. You must have sensed the bloodshed. It hovers over our southern border with Egypt, where Islamic extremists are now in power. Blood flows in Syria, where Assad massacres his own people while his wife keeps ironing out her diminishing credit. Even in Jordan, with which we share our longest border, the throne is in danger. Crowds gather around the royal palace in mass demonstrations. They do it relatively quietly and so they lack the media’s support, as was provided in other countries where revolutions raged. Yet, it is clear to everyone who’s paying attention: the days of king Abdullah II of Jordan are numbered. The revolution is near. According to documents posted by WikiLeaks, Palestinians consist a whopping 88 percent majority of Jordan’s population. They are ruled by a Hashemite-Bedouin minority, which excludes them from every position of power, abusing them while collecting their taxes. The Palestinians in Jordan want democracy. They demand an autonomy rule. They deserve it. On the other hand, here in Israel, following American or local demands, a territorial solution for the conflict is drafted over and over again. The failed attempts are accompanied by terror attacks. The reason for such failures originate in a grim misconception. This is not a territorial dispute but an ideological war, a fight between religions. According to Islam, Israel is considered to be “Waqf”-- a land which has only Muslims as its rightful owners, a land which must be liberated through Jihad. Ben-Gurion once said “the bible is our mandate” and we do regard Israel as the land of our forefathers. It’s our right to liberate it and reside in Israel. Religious wars never end by simply drawing new borderlines. They go on for hundreds of years. Is this a pessimistic approach? Yes, but also a realistic one. I’d rather embrace a realistic solution than to cling on to a dream which endangers us time and time again. Looking around us, the neighboring Arab dictatorial regimes are falling like domino pieces. When the revolution strikes Jordan, a Palestinian state will emerge there. The world would no longer see the Palestinians as a nation devoid of a national home. The pressure on Israel to accommodate the Palestinian refugees will substantially subside. The conflict won’t be resolved but it will weaken, becoming bearable. Humanitarian-wise, the Palestinians will have their own state, citizenship, passport, flag, anthem, territory and right -- just like every person in the world is entitled to. Israel will then annex the West Bank. Palestinians living there will become Israeli residents, much like the half a million Arabs in Eastern Jerusalem. These Palestinians in Israel will be awarded the new Palestinian citizenship, allowing them to stay put while voting for the Amman parliament, providing they won’t be involved in attempts to murder Jews. This solution will consist of two states for two nations on both sides of the Jordan river. It makes so much sense. It is a simple, feasible and almost painless plan. Should this Palestinian state be peaceful, we will act as good neighbors -- assisting it with energy resources and desalinated waters. If not, the Jordan river is an excellent borderline, much more defensible than the entangled lines the Israeli left is drawing. My only concern is not of Arabs but of Jews. The Israeli left is armed with a self-destructive mechanism which could thwart history’s natural course. It could keep pushing to hold negotiations which will promote evacuating settlements and expelling Jews. Our homeland might then be divided, leaving us in territory that won’t be ours for long. Hopefully, I will be proven wrong. Karni Eldad is a musician, married, and a mother of two, a resident of Tekoa (West Bank)​
Jordan is only 30% Palestinians. The West Bank WILL be Palestine and was called "Arab Palestine" by the Americans.
HB, are you OK? What you posted had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that most of the Palestinian settlements were not depopulated because of Arab High Command orders or because the local peasants just upped-sticks and left on a whim.
Wrong information. Numbers are MUCH MUCH higher. Check Wikipedia or Jordan's public data. Hope to hear from you soon. - - - Updated - - - Most left by themselves due to fear from the war.. BTW, what do you know about the Jewish Nakba ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Jordan The hardest evidence ever... Enjoy !! 70% Jordanians are Palestinians !!!!!!
wow, you guys are all over the place!!! the UNRWA says only around 2 million Palestinians are in Jordan, around 30%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Jordan
It does not say that at all. There are 6.5 million people in Jordan and 2 million Palestinian refugees. How is that 70% of the population?
