Wow! This is a group of people who apparently study law and sue sort of like the ACLU but on the part of individuals. The US allows for private people to become US Private attorney generals to prosecute cases on behalf of the people and citizens. So anyone who has gone to court for traffic or other government issued charges and literally had the judge railroad them this really makes sense why the US has become such an oppressive police state. Its a foregone conclusion that when going into any inferior court that you will lose and have to appeal. If what this guy says is even 1% true and it does not get changed this country is completely down the tubes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_eCqB4NOw&list=PL17BCCF28825375F0&index=1&feature=plpp_video High way robbery of the american people and complete fraud and further an ex california attorney general Fine is a political prisoner today after rocking the boat when trying to file suit against the whole california court system with eric holder. So my gut tells me this may very well be an inside scoop with some degree of validity. Has anyone else looked into this? If they in fact are protecting cash cows that would explain why everything is so crazy in law. Literally any case can be sued out on both sides of the issue at the same time and supported by case law. That should not be possible in law or equity in this country. That is what you would have found in England and another one of several reasons the revolution occurred in the first place.
Just more kooks with the "birth certificate account" bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Well, then, rejoice! ZERO percent of it is true. I especially like the part where he infers that all attorneys and judges - all of us - are part of a conspiracy whereby we all get millions of dollars just for having court cases exist. Awesome. Obviously, I'm a multi-millionaire, I just changed the wax seal on my toilet all by myself today instead of playing with my kids because I like being up to my elbows in (*)(*)(*)(*). Rod Class is a scam artist. Anyone who buys anything this guy says is a world-class sucker.
thats not normally a job a good attorney would concern themselves with unless they are in the poor house. That aside however what in the substance of his message are you complaining about? From what i understand these people are going to court and have won a few cases. So how does that compare to your soap box rant? In other words if you got something of substance put it up, so I dont have to write you off as a joker.
To be honest, I like doing that sort of stuff myself. I like working on my house and my cars on my own. It's fun. That being said, obviously, if there were some scam, as this video implies, making me a multi-millionaire, I wouldn't do it myself. I'm not in the poor house, but I do have two kids, which is a good way to be circling the drain around the poor house, as any parent knows. Everything. From start to finish it's 100% false. Do you understand what they are claiming? They are claiming that the court system uses secret accounts, based upon numbers which are printed on our birth certificates, to make millions (billions, he claims) of dollars for attorneys and judges, who are all conspiring together to keep this a secret. It doesn't even pass the laugh test. Actually, if you google this guy, Rod Class, you'll see that, like most tax protestors, nom de plume scam artists, and other frauds, he has lost a number of times in court, and has never won. What he calls a "win" is just his spin on a loss so that he can keep selling his books and other scams. What "substance" is needed to refute something that is so obviously ridiculous? A secret scam making millions of dollars for attorneys and judges, and not one of the thousands of attorneys in the United States has spilled the beans? He also claims that all of the courts in the U.S. are "admiralty" courts. He famously got pulled over for expired tags on his car, and was arrested when it was discovered his license was expired as well (he claims people don't need one, and they're a scam). After he represented himself and was convicted (of course), he tried to appeal the decision to the Coast Guard (still under his "admiralty" theory). Read this thread about him... It's fun: http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=6329
I dont know that its "obviously so ridiculous"? After dealing in commercial law I would be more inclined to investigate than anything else based on what I have seen first hand. Now I will say the site is funny, but they do not name any cases that I can look up so not much can be derived from all that. So you got anything solid other than soapbox rants and theories?
You don't think it's obviously ridiculous to accuse every single attorney and judge in America (that's hundreds of thousands of people), ALL of hiding billions of dollars in secret accounts? Saying that every judge and attorney is secretly a billionaire? Where's all that money? What are they (we) spending it on? Why hasn't one single attorney talked about it or let anything slip or show? Why do I still live in a modest home and have thousands of dollars in student loans??
Where did you go? How about bonding? That all winds up on being clipped together as derivatives and goes up on wall street for trading? How about the fact that all the courts are for profit corporations and most listed on dunn and bradstreet? I mean since you bring it up n all?
People can invest in the money made from bail bonds, yes. It's a small part of the judicial system filled with guys like Dog the Bounty Hunter, not international conspiracy. That's simply false. Do you understand that having a "listing" on Dun does not make something "for-profit" or even a corporation? Dun is the equivalent of a Rolodex - it's just a listing of places businesses need to deal with, courts being some of those. Dun gives out their numbers to anyone who needs to buy things on credit, and yes, this includes the purchasing department of courts. When courts need to buy things like office supplies, they want to open a credit account, and to do so at a place like Staples, you need a DNB number.
Unreal! So the court has worse credit than the average joker on the street that can walk in and open a staples account with with a credit score of 400..... Now thats a gut busting bottom of the barrel RED HERRING! LOL The whole system is one huge (*)(*)(*)(*)ing feudal extortion racket and you know it! It would be impossible to be an attorney as you claim and NOT know it and as loony as saying that water wont make you wet. Better look again pal! The people are a comin! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheS8xvLXS4
It may be a red herring or it may not, the problem you have is that it's not what I said. You said: DNB numbers are "proof" the courts are private, for-profit, corporations. I said: No, many non-profit organizations have DNB numbers, it's what any non-person entity needs to get credit or buy things on terms from a merchant. What you responded with above in no way refutes what I said. It's a complete nonsequitur. Again, having or not having a DNB number does not make something a private for-profit entity. Entities get DNB numbers because businesses require them from other entities before they will set up credit terms. It's as simple as that. It's not a big conspiracy where the courts are "making money" by "investing" in secret accounts linked to our birth certificates, as claimed in your OP. That's simply a ridiculous claim. There are a lot of problems with the justice system. However, what is discussed in your OP is not one of them, it is simply made-up nonsense. Again, you can't even stay on topic in your own thread, I suspect because you realize your OP is utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*), and I've proven it. This article has nothing to do with your OP. In fact, this article is PROOF that, in this case, a case of injustice and extortion was ferreted out and FIXED by the same "system" you claim is incapable of justice. The city court judges and other involved people in your story were acting badly and illegally. They were caught by a higher court, and the situation was resolved. That supports exactly what I'm saying - the system is not, as you argue, "all" extortion. When small pockets of extortion take place, the system catches and stops it. It's like you didn't even read your article. Desperate to maintain something after your OP has been laughably exposed, you googled "court" and "extortion" and pasted an article with out realizing it says the opposite of what your OP is trying to argue.
Just like the law firms I sue and kick the snot out of them. After listening to this kind of crap you have no idea how pleasurable it is to sit on the other side of the table and watch them draw up the check. Especially after I took a couple of them to firms that specialized in the same law for a class action and they told me I did not have a case. If you have no conception of how these things get done in secret you should turn in your bar card, because as an example every time I settled out of court it was ALWAYS in secret followed by a stip to dismiss. The public is none the wiser and ***** will say see he never won the case. Do you even know what that kind of suit is called? LOL That and there is no such thing as a legal "non-person entity" in america. What ever your smokin to come up with that is pretty good (*)(*)(*)(*). Only a person can operate in the commercial world. Maybe this is all conspiracy voodoo to you because you do not know enough about the matters you are trying to discuss. Ever thought about that?
