Julian Assange extradition judge refuses request for delay

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rule of law fails where official discretion/discernment fails, and where the law itself was not thoughtfully enough worded to prevent abuse by those applying it.

    Now, let's ask a question: Will the UK judge who orders the extradition to the US be sacked, or will he face absolutely no consequences?
    And why wasn't there law in place in the UK to prevent this type of thing from happening? (And what exactly would that law look like?)
     
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  2. Bush Lawyer

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    Right here, and Assange has instructed his Lawyers to tell Australian Diplomates in the UK to get fuqqed.
     
  3. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    Gawd. Why the anxiety. The UK Judges know their job. Let's see what happens and not anticipate what you fear might happen.
     
  4. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There should be rule of law. Assange engaged in theft and betrayed a number
    of foreign agents to their death - without any regret. And oh, there's that business
    about him forcing a woman's legs apart and raping her.
     
  5. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you going to help him? If I could I'd come with you!
    Why are we, the people, not going there and demand his release and freedom. He did what he did for us, the common people! We should be at his side now and protest, not just hundred, at least 10 000 of us.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's start with the rape charges first.
    And then let's look at his part in the theft of govt documents
    And finally, let's figure out how many people lost their lives
    with the release of those documents.
     
  7. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, please, list all these things so I can see and know them, too.
     
  8. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    That is totally incorrect. No woman's legs were forced apart.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really? Then maybe the said women were lying. I know who I would believe.
    I am using liberal language here - this is sexism, pure and simple - white man
    rape, elitist behavior, power over women.
    Assange protested the release of details about these rapes. This was rich, he
    released details of confidential documents without bothering to conceal names.
    As a result people died. For this he should hang.

    He didn't release too many Russian or Chinese documents. He knew the
    nation he despised operated under the rule of law - and he wasn't going to
    be assassinated.
     
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  10. Bush Lawyer

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    Best thing you can do is some research on those charges. No force was involved. The definition of 'rape' in Sweden is bizarre, extensive and stupid, taking the word far away from what you and I would ordinarily understand it to mean.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's forget what Sweden thinks is rape, and use the definition used by the liberals
    who sympathize with Assange:

    "rape is pervasive and normalized"
    "breaking the silence about rape"
    "narrow, stereotypical conception of what is rape"
    "women are not the property of men"
    "gender-neutral assault on individual autonomy"
    "patriarchal constructions of gender and sexuality"
    "deprivation of women's bodily sovereignty"
    "rape is more than just overt physical force and violence"
    "rape is about multiple systems of domination, including racism and colonialism"

    Get the idea? "Rape" can be anything you want it to be.

    EXCEPT WHEN WE JUDGE JULIAN ASSANGE WHO FORCED TWO WOMEN'S
    LEGS APART AND PENETRATED THEM WITH HIS DICK WITHOUT THEIR
    CONSENT.
     
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  12. Bush Lawyer

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    He is not accused of that.
     
  13. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is ABSOLUTELY true. The Swedish term for "rape" is "våldtäkt" which (if translated into English) means with violent force. That in itself seems like an only slightly exaggerated description until you realized that in Sweden you can be found guilty of "våldtäckt" for succeeding in verbally pleading your wife to have sex with you if she wasn't initially in the mood for it.
     
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  14. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe you spelt the word "ducked" incorrectly.
     
  15. Bush Lawyer

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    I did spell a word incorrectly. No doubt about it. I'll have to lift my game.

    :hiding:
     
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    Can't agree with that at least not in the context you seem to associate it.

    Considering Sweden's record of cooperating with the CIA (clandestinely and blatantly breaking Swedish law) Assange would be languishing in an American prison "for life" and would be all but forgotten. As it stands there is a chance that he won't.
    Never mind any Messiah complex. Jesus never claimed he was the Messiah and neither does Assange. He is a martyr and there is no doubt about it. Trump has nothing to do with it.
     
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  17. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In particular I could not agree with you more on us living through 1984. Assange gets very little publicity here. That is obviously to avoid the mass protests there would be if people knew the situation.

    We have already seen rights of trial being refused in the UK from when Theresa May, then Home Secretary, began withdrawing citizenship from people when they were outside of the country. They, should they have the personal money, were told they could fight it in court - except they would not tell them why they had had their citizenship removed as 'to do so might be against national security'. Obviously not being told why their citizenship had been removed made defending that impossible.

    What I think is most concerning is the way people are allowing the rights we fought for for so long to be taken away and for us to be slipping into an era of oppression like we may never have known and one could argue that the blame for this, the vehicle of this oppression is the destruction of the free press, in particular investigative journalism - starting in the US and spreading to the West, since 9/11. The end game will be fascism, possibly the most vicious we have ever known.
     
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  18. Bush Lawyer

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    Well....whether he is extradited to the USA is now up to the UK Justice system.
     
  19. Thingamabob

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    I'll take Pilger's side on that point. People talk about neo-Nazism and racism but we are crossing the threshold of neo-Stalinism à-la Kafka.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it is against British Law to extradite someone for political reasons.

    As far as his conditions, I am going by what those who have been there, seen him and witnessed the conditions say.
     
  21. Thingamabob

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    Yes, but he's in with a chance - a chance he wouldn't have been afforded in Sweden at the time.
     
  22. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is sad that people are not, how can I put this, .......that they do not understand that it is the principles they should be protecting.

    It is sad how easily some Democrats have been to manipulate by the elite of the now bought Party. Perhaps what Clinton has recently said about Goddard and that other woman might make them think again.
     
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  23. Thingamabob

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    That's why the Yanks are trying to spin his pseudo-crime as non-political.
     
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    It is known no one lost their lives - that is no one who was reported on committing war crimes. They have all gone free. The establishment and its people have no problem with that only with allowing the people to know.

    In a lawful country the rape racket would only be of interest in the conspiracy to arrest him. It has nothing to do with charges against him and has been covered and covered in past threads so that anyone who does not know the truth of that situation must be choosing not to.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/22/assange-displayed-signs-of-torture-in-courtroom-farce/
     
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    I am beginning to think some people like to go on and on about these 'created for the US' charges because they find it titillating.
     

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