June ...Thread of the month nominations

Shangrila · Jun 3, 2016

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Doug_yvr · Jun 9, 2016

I would like to nominate this as Thread of the Month for June. JimfromPA takes a strong position and does a good job in buttressing the reasons for his views. It's simply a well written thread.

JimfromPennsylvania said: ↑

Hillary Clinton gave a great speech last night in Brooklyn she is a first rate politician and showed that last night giving a speech where she demonstrated that she is a very attractive candidate. Although I think she made some mistakes in this speech. On the night where she would secure the majority of pledged delegates essentially winning the case for her to be the Democrat nominee for President this year for Senator Sanders to continue his pursuit of the nomination is now indefensible it would be based on a really remote occurrence like a Hillary Clinton indictment over the e-mail issue not a rationale a quality person embraces on this biggest night of her campaign so far Hillary Clinton chooses to first focus on the gender milestone of her campaign that for the first time in our nation's history the Presidential nominee of a major political party will be a women. The American people would rather have heard Secretary Clinton lead with how she is eager to solve some of the nation's pressing problems. The Clinton campaign would be better served considering that many Americans don't care one iota that after this years Presidential election the President will be called Madame President they care about the serious problems the country has negatively impacting their life. That is not to say that it isn't great that the last major door to political opportunity for women in American being elected President has a good chance of being opened this year.

I also think Hillary Clinton and her supporters make a big mistake and miss an opportunity to garnish supporters for their goals going after Donald Trump's slogan "Let's Make America Great Again". To the majority of Donald Trump's supporter it is not code for going back to the 1950's and 1960's and sixties where certain races were second class citizens and there were two economic groups in America those on the right side of the tracks wealthy Americans and those on the wrong side of the tracks poor Americans. To the majority of supporters for the call and hope of "Let's Make America Great Again" it is about having an America where if you work hard and are a law abiding citizen you are going to have a job that provides an income that provides for a middle class life. It's about having an America where ordinary Americans don't have to live in fear over health insurance and being able to get medical care if they or their loved ones get sick. It's about an America when we go to war we fight with awesome power and competence and win the war and come home like World War II and the Korean War and we don't get caught in fifteen plus year old military quagmires where the death of American soldiers never stops! Americans understand the issues in Afghanistan and Iraq are complex, of course we helped establish democracies in those countries and some time democratic elections don't produce good leaders which was the case on steroids with Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan who was corrupt and a terrible ally in the war against the Taliban and with Nouri al Maliki in Iraq who was massively discriminatory against the Sunni Iraqi population. Both countries now have great leaders and are headed in the right direction that is not to say America couldn't be acting better to be an America that is great on these fronts. Afghanistan will never be a truly good country being the number one heroin producing country in the world heroin drug trafficking is pure evil considering what it does to its addicts America should be lobbying the Afghanistan government hard to institute a capital punishment program against major players in the Afghanistan drug trade and a program that makes it clear to Afghanistan farmers you can't grow poppies good countries don't grow drugs and to that end the government has to burn down your poppy crops to stop this wrong in Afghanistan. In Iraq the best development for success for that country is if the Iraq Army would grow in numbers and this growth would include lots of Sunnis, Kurds as well as Shiite to heal the sectarian divide in this country. A great America would train and equip at least two or three more Iraqi Army brigades with a multi-sectarian make-up so they can handle Iraq's security challenges and the American troops there can come home!

I am not suggesting that the Clinton campaign give Donald Trump a pass on his plans, suggestions or whatever he calls them for what he wants to do in America. Donald Trump exhibits racist, bigoted and ignorant behavior. He is unfit to be President, in part, because he is unstable on fundamental policy and when it comes to dealing with the multitude of issues a President would be faced with. I am not calling for Hillary Clinton or her supporters to show one drop of mercy to Donald Trump someone with his make-up should never have run for President he would be a very dangerous person if held the office of President! Although Hillary Clinton and her campaign should be careful not to alienate Donald Trump's supporters. A lot of Trump's supporters don't turn their back on Trump for his ignorant and inexcusable behavior not because they align with Donald Trump or his bad behavior but rather because they hope his make-up will be able to achieve what American elected officials for the last fifty years have been unable to achieve and that is to stop and reverse the decline of America and the American way of life, to solve some of America's major problems.

The Hillary Clinton campaign it seems to me is making a mistake in two areas. Yes Donald Trump should be condemned for his empty and false promises on how he can reverse America's lost manufacturing to China and Mexico; international law and the WTO makes him delivering on these problems impossible. But I think for especially a Democrat President candidate and any good leader they need to recognize that this free trade model that the entire world has embarked on isn't working too many countries, developed countries in Europe and the United States are importing too many products these countries should be manufacturing more domestically and thereby creating jobs for their people, the writing is on the wall that the world's free trade model needs to change countries need to be able to protect a certain percentage of their domestic market thereby protecting the jobs they hold for their people. Good leaders in America should be calling for change to international and domestic law to fix the free trade model however they should represent that it is a complicated effort that will not bear fruit in the short term it will take many years to accomplish! Secondly, Secretary Clinton and her staff make a mistake for making emphatic criticism of Donald Trump's call for a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. Okay go to town that it will be a Donald Trump wall and he is obsessed with getting the Mexican government to pay for it. Doesn't this guy see how crazy it is for Mexico to have to pay for it, America is building it to protect her interests to stop illegal immigration she is doing it to help enforce her laws on immigration plus Mexico has a very serious existential threat for the country of Mexico confronting the power of the drug Cartels, why would the American government want to add this significant burden on this Mexican government we want the Mexican government to succeed not fail? More specifically Ms. Clinton is foolish spazing our about the wall because she prudently wants comprehensive immigration reform and she shouldn't paint herself into a corner if she wins in November she ain't no way going to have sixty Democrat Senators so she is going to have to get some Republican Senators to vote for her comprehensive immigration reform bill if she wants it to become law and no Republican is going to vote for such a bill unless it responsibly seeks to stop the illegal immigration problem which necessitates building and maintaining some walls along the Mexican border because walls work any highly competent expert on the subject will tell you this.

Lastly, part of why Hillary Clinton's speech was really excellent last night was because she tapped into the hopes of ordinary Americans she recognized that all Americans hope for a better, fairer and stronger American one where there is more economic opportunity and less income inequality and things like that. Also, very valuably for America Secretary Clinton framed up this election quite correctly as it has shaped up to become it is choice between Hillary Clinton where respect for others, unity and consideration for all will prevail or Donald Trump where ignorance, division and the interests of the few over the interests of the many will prevail. God help the American people to correctly make this choice come November!
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