Just to clarify: There is no such thing as "Race". There is only "Racism"

It's what one does when it has no logical argument. They invent adjectives and nouns to brand and cast a pox on anything they find offensive. "Look! There's roaches and a wasp's nest on the porch. Let's kill it!"

The left calls it racist, even if it's only an infectious or venomous insect. Sad really.

 

Well, you might want to take it up with the ignorant Merriam-Webster. Easy enough...

race
noun
Definition of race

• breeding stock of animals
• a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock:a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
• an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also :a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
• breed
• a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

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Lions, Tigers, and domestic housecats are just social constructs. There is only one feline.

 

Sure. Genetic groupings within a species don't exist. There's also no such thing as Great Danes and German Shepherds, they're LITERALLY the same thing. *rollseyes*

 

And Yorkies and Rottweilers exhibit no known physical differences or temperaments.

 

This concept from mid-20th Century was abandoned a long time ago by biologists.

Lieberman and Jackson (1994): "...the weakness of this statement is that if one gene can distinguish races then the number of races is as numerous as the number of human couples reproducing."

 

And if you have been doing that by referring to "race", you are now aware that you make a fool of yourself.

 

I sure do! Because you have been using an incorrect concept of "racism".

Now... I see this was from last night. Hopefully you will educate yourself overnight. It's not too bad to not know something. Ignorance can be solved by learning. What would be really bad is if you refused to learn.

 

tell that to Rachel Dolezal, she got slammed for being the "wrong" race rather then embraced for her being an individual in the human race

 

The concept has hardly been abandoned, and Profs. Lieberman and Jackson are attacking a straw man.

It, of course, has been refined:

"Genetic variation among human races can be observed in almost any trait, from the physical and biochemical, to disease resistance. What role do single nucleotide polymorphisms play in this?"

https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/Using-SNP-Data-to-Examine-Human-Phenotypic-706

And the concept of race hasn't been abandoned, as seen in the above quote, and the title of this paper:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043466609000659

Cytokine SNPs: Comparison of allele frequencies by race and implications for future studies

 

Here is an interesting quote from someone who agrees with you"

"Indeed, the current predominant belief amongst human geneticists and biomedical researchers is that the socially-defined races of U.S. society are biological races, and that genetic differences between these groups have important biological and medical consequences (Graves 2011). For example, the terms “Negroid,” “Caucasoid,” and “Mongoloid” race are still used to organize research results on Entrez Pubmed. A recent search of that database returned: 66, 398; 50,893; and 42,026 research publications respectively."

https://evolution-institute.org/art...rors-in-a-troublesome-inheritance-genes-race/

You have been mistakenly informed about the scientific consensus on race.

Fortunately, you can educate yourself and disabuse yourself of the notion that science doesn't recognize race. I will selflessly guide you through this process so long as you display a modicum of open-mindedness.

 

Ah... I see that at least you have the eagerness to learn. That's a good sign.

The concept of "race" is nonexistent in a biological or anthropological sense. "Racist" and "racism" are very real, unfortunately.. It refers to a person who believes that "race" is a real thing and that theirs is "superior" to others. In that context the meaning of "race" is arbitrary. Anything that a racist discriminates on can be a "race": including skin color, religion, country of origin, thinness of the eyes, ethnic origin and culture, etc...Or any combination thereof.

 

Oh? Are you telling me that Jews and Hispanics are "races"?

Thank you!

I had never had a right-winger take my side in a discussion I'm having with another right-winger.

 

Is this because you read what you're responding to and suddenly have an urge to make a fool of yourself? Or was it just that you missed the part that says "within the Human Race"? I guess a third alternative would be to believe that Great Danes and German Shepherds are part of the Human Race. Wouldn't surprise me!

 

if animal breeds exist, then races exist.

however most breeds are man-made.

 

The left doesn't believe in races yet they want to flood white countries with other races in the hopes of making whites minorities. Funny stuff

 

So what is a race then?

 

Humans - homo sapiens - are a species. You've conflated species with race.

So how about you do something you haven't done - what exactly do you mean by "race" if not species? Because the category you've limited race to is in fact the same as species, so if I'm mistaken in understanding that you're using race the same way species is in common use, what exactly do you mean by race?

 

Yes. They are used. But what is it? What is the biological difference between one race and another?

What is the biological definition of "race"? I'm tired of asking.

The fact is that the term is used as short-hand to arbitrarily organize groups of people.

 

if we base it solely on phenotype, there are surely more than 3 races.

native americans, northern europeans, southern europeans, black africans, east asians, Australian, indian subcontinent, and maybe more

 

Logical argument? You didn't even present a case.

Let me sum up the OP: Race doesn't exist, and you're all dummies.

This subject deserves a little nuance.

 

I have? So you never heard the expression "Human Race"

Which doesn't excuse your mentioning German Shepherds and Great Danes. You can't blame just ignorance for that. That's all on you!

 

Yes. If you base it on phenotype, you have an infinite number of races: blue eyed, blond haired, longer middle toe....

 

Ok so exactly as I said before, you're conflating race with species, comparable to the category "dog", whereas historically nearly every use of race has been comparable to "breed", as in German Shepherd vs. Rottweiler.

Like really - you deny and then confirm exactly my point: you're conflating race with species.

Also still waiting for a response on this - but I suppose we've already confirmed that your position is that race is the same as species. Why it MUST BE that and can't be anything more specific, we've still yet to hear, but who expects you to answer that?