Kansans Overwhelmingly Vote To Keep Abortion Protections In State Constitution

So this is a massive schlap in the face of Christian sharia loving GOP, who got caught lying and deceiving the public about their intentions.

Do you think this is going to set the precedent for the other states where they still are going to vote on it?

 

Some states will continue to allow the procedure, while others have passed "trigger" laws in years gone by, waiting for the reversal of Roe.

I approve this decision, but IMO the various states have already decided on a course of action.

 

I am inclined to think so. Abortion is an area where the rights of adults are under threat in order to protect the rights of fertilized eggs and zygotes, and I think the adults will overwhelmingly vote for their own rights every time.

 

That doesn't explain that there are a lot of sharia like Christians in the US demanding the end of all abortions.

 

This was a good outcome, and exactly what the recent SCOTUS decision was intended to achieve. Abortion is now a settled question in Kansas and not a factor in national politics.

 

A radicalized, vocal minority who, thanks to political skullduggery, now have more control over the rest of America than they should.

 

Not really, this proves how right SCOTUS were to leave the decision to the people. I do think this sets a precedent for how the other states are going to vote and that's a good thing, I imagine the GOP are very happy with this decision.

Are there? Are there really? How many exactly? What percentage of the population? If solidly Red Kansas can make this decision maybe those who vote GOP are a more diverse group than you assume?

 

A minority who overturned Roe vs Wade.

 

This was their plan? lol

Strange idea. Everybody knows that conservative Christians who support making abortions illegal, vote GOP.
And Kansas is as conservative Christian as it can get probably.

41% as far as I know. That's a lot of sharia loving Christians. Mind you.

 

"Kansas voters resoundingly rejected that measure, with nearly 60 percent of voters indicating “no.”

"Kansas was viewed as a bellwether of how Americans feel in the aftermath of the high court’s decision, and despite being a historically conservative stronghold, Kansas voters rejected eliminating abortion: access.

Now, four other states will pose similar measures to voters that address the future of abortion:

1. California
   

The state on its Nov. 8 ballot will feature Proposition 1, which aims to amend California’s constitution to include the right to an abortion. The measure provides that the state cannot “deny or interfere with an individual’s reproductive freedom in their most intimate decisions,” including decisions to have an abortion or to choose or refuse contraceptives.

Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) has been doubling down on his efforts to make California an abortion sanctuary, including signing a law the shields California abortion providers and volunteers from lawsuits in other states. The state has also allotted more than $200 million in new spending to expand abortion in the state.

1. Kentucky
   

Also on Nov. 8, voters in Kentucky will be able to vote on whether their state’s constitution should be amended to lay out that nothing in the state constitution creates a right to abortion or requires government funding of abortions.

Kentucky hopes to join four other states that currently have constitutional amendments declaring that their constitutions do not secure or protect a right to abortion or require the funding for the procedure.

The state has completely banned abortion, thanks to a trigger law that took effect quickly after the Supreme Court overturned Roe. The law makes limited exceptions like to prevent death or serious injury of the mother.

1. Montana
   

Voters in Montana will get to weigh in on a state statute known as the Medical Care Requirements for Born-Alive Infants Measure on Nov. 8. It states that infants born alive at any stage of development should be considered legal persons; require medical care to be provided to infants born alive after an induced labor, C-section, attempted abortion or another method; and establish a $50,000 fine and/or 20 years in prison as the maximum penalty for violating the law.

Currently, abortion is legal in Montana up until 20 weeks of pregnancy and as long as the state constitution is not amended. Though the state has tried to enact several restrictive abortion laws, including one that would have stopped advanced practice registered nurses from being able to perform early abortion services. A judge blocked the law from taking effect.

1. Vermont
   

Vermont is taking a similar approach to California by including Proposal 5 on its Nov. 8 ballot. It represents the Right to Personal Reproductive Autonomy Amendment which supports amending the Vermont constitution to add language protecting the right to personal reproductive autonomy and prohibiting the government from infringing — unless justified by a compelling state interest.

Abortion is currently legal in Vermont, and in 2019 the state enacted comprehensive abortion rights legislation. It protected abortion as a fundamental right throughout pregnancy and prevented any public entity to regulate, deny or interfere with an individual’s right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization, to give birth or to obtain an abortion."

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I saw a bit ago that Idaho (R)adicals are having a meltdown, meanwhile, accusing the DOJ of acting politically -- basically childishly accusing others of their own motives and foibles, as the (R)adicals all do now as a matter of course ever since the orange clown taught them the way.

 

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Mark my words, the anti-choice movement is going to look at the Kansas result and decide that their best path to criminalize abortion is a federal ban. It's coming, and that's what's on the ballot this November.


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Biden signs executive order to support travel for abortions in latest move aimed at protecting acces

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Washington — President Biden signed an executive order Wednesday aimed at making it easier to travel to obtain an abortion and enforcing federal non-discrimination laws for those seeking the procedure, his latest unilateral effort to secure abortion rights in the wake of the Supreme Court's decision to strike down Roe v. Wade.

The order directs Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra to consider actions to support patients traveling out of state for abortions, including through the use of waivers that would allow states where abortion is legal to cover the cost of the procedure under Medicaid for out-of-state residents. It also directs the secretary to make sure health care providers comply with federal non-discrimination laws, and asks him to evaluate and improve research and analysis on maternal health outcomes.

"Secretary Becerra is going to work with states through Medicaid to allow them to provide reproductive health care for women who live in states where abortions are being banned in that state," Mr. Biden said Wednesday. "The executive order makes sure health care providers comply with federal law so women don't face delays or denials of medically necessary care. And this executive order advances research and data collection to evaluate the impact that this reproductive health crisis is having on maternal health and other health conditions and health outcomes."

The president signed the executive action during a virtual appearance at the first meeting of his newly created Task Force on Reproductive Healthcare Access. Mr. Biden is still recovering from a "rebound" case of COVID-19 and in isolation at the White House. After signing the order, Mr. Biden said much work remains to ensure abortion access, but he's confident Vice President Kamala Harris can get it done.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-...-travel/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=175854692

 

1. Yes, SCOTUS wanted to leave it to the people. And the people decided
2.Yes they sure do but they are a small but vocal majority. The fact that Kansas voted like this shows they are not the stereotype you think them to be,
3. The abortion issue hasn't actually changed the polls at all, the GOP still seem poised to sweep the board.

 

Specifically rather ultra conservative judges voted for this. So that leaves everybody to believe that they did it, so their peeps could axe the ability ban abortions.

I seriously doubt the GOP politicians saw this coming.

I seriously doubt the GOP politicians saw this coming.

 

Actually it was predictable as abortion rights advocates did the exact same thing in Arkansas back in the 1980s to defeat an anti abortion measure by a deceptive advertising campaign that indicated the anti abortion measure did the exact opposite from what it actually did.

 

Wow. You really have no idea, do you?

1. They left it to states. And the states often do not represent "the people" within the states. Look up 1960s civil rights movements;
2. Not sure what a "small but vocal majority" means. A little clarity would be nice.
3. This is delusional. But then again, you're looking at the US while not living here. The GOP tried to keep the abortion issue quiet after the decision because they know it's a big issue among voters.

 

Your first sentence makes no sense, I think you might be missing some prepositions? Secondly what do you base that on? Third, I rather think they did, all the polls said so.

 

They're coming after frozen clinic stored, fertilized eggs.

 

Ballot Initiatives
Kansas constitutional amendment to eliminate right to abortion

99% of Expected Vote Reporting

Response Vote Percentage Pct. Total Votes

No

59%
542,351


Yes
41%
377,417

Total Estimated To Be Early/Absentee: 45%
Last Updated: August 4, 7:20:28PM ET

 

Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

 

That's one way to drum up a sense of urgency among voters. It is probably a good message to direct at younger voters in particular, who rather infamously don't turn out to vote the way older voters do.

Realistically, though, an all-GOP congress and administration didn't even manage to build the WALL or scrap Obamacare, so I would not expect them to succeed at instituting a nationwide abortion ban. Every point of data also indicates that a good majority of Americans support having the right to choose, making abortion bans political suicide outside of deep red districts and states. I'm actually kind of surprised that people have even allowed them to be instituted in certain states, and I expect it will hurt the Banana Republicans this fall and probably beyond.

 

Hang on. You based it on the idea that the judges were going to axe because they wanted to leave it to the people. And the people decided.
You go tell me where these is based on?

The judges were interviewed before they were put on the supreme court. Their position on the SC was based on the idea that they wouldn't touch Roe v Wade.
But they did. They are devoted Christians. The church donated millions and millions to support a ban on abortions. And here you are not being able to add these things up.

And I add:
If Value Them Both had passed, it would have opened the door for anti-abortion rights lawmakers to pursue a total abortion ban — a move that many Kansas Republicans denied, but were caught on tape discussing.

And I add that the GOP send deceiving text to vote yes if you were for allowing women to decide, but it would have meant you voted for a no to let them decide for an abortion. I put this up in the OP.


So it must have been a surprise the GOP, who pushed the agenda of cancelling Roe v Wade, that their voters in Kansas voted to allow abortions.

 

Yes they were and they replied truthfully, they never said "We won't touch Roe Vs Wade" (it would have been totally improper if they had) and they were appointed anyway in the teeth of DNC opposition. Not all are devoted Christians, even Ginsburg said it was a bad judgement. THERE IS NO ABORTION BAN! They just left it up to the states.
No one knows who sent the text, I doubt the GOP, probably just an extremist group.

This wasn't a surprise for the GOP at all, all the polls said this would happen. I think you just stereotype the right and they just proved you wrong.

 

Actually they all DID. They all talked of “Stare Decisis” which means that an issue has already been decided. Every one of them though had been coached by the Federalist Society
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/01/politics/kavanaugh-abortion-precedent-roe-mississippi/index.html
Mind you - apparently Kavenaugh’s confirmation is still under investigation