Karl Rove explains why Trump's numbers mean nothing

When you are hated so much by your own party that 1/3 of them say they will never vote for you...thats not a ringing endorsement. Trump has basically monopolized the lunatic fringe vote.

 

I agree 100%. I'm a die hard Republican voter. I haven't missed an election since 1984. I've only voted for one dem for a major office, and that was Zell Miller for governor of Georgia. If Trump becomes our nominee, I'm voting third party in the general election. Trump is no more a Republican than Hillary is.

 

So 30% of the republicans would rather see Hillary as president than Trump, but the republicans who say they would vote for Trump to keep that from happening are the lunatic fringe?

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Then you are supporting Hillary. Funny how this two party thing works. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

Doesn't matter. He is bringing up issues the Republican nominee is going to have to address. Right now my number one issue is border security and amnesty. Trump's addressing the issue has got a lot of people, including some Democrats and the old members of the Reagan coalition (blue collar whites, working people, etc.) expressing their anger through Trump at the lack of action by both parties in solving an issue that diminishes our economy along with the well being of middle and lower class Americans, threatens our sovereignty, and is destructive of the unique American culture of self reliance and national pride.

The squishes in the Republican party don't know how to deal with this, but they are coming to the realization that papering over the concerns of ordinary people by saying they support border security while trying to back-door amnesty won't work when Trump is gaining traction on the issue. Marco Rubio is basically toast because of his betrayal on amnesty, no matter what he says now in the pretty words he uses. The Democrats are also wondering what to do when their voters (particularly black voters) find that their party is pandering to the Hispanic voters at the expense of jobs and better pay and degraded schools. Shouting RACIST!!! or NATIVIST!!! at black people who usually vote Democrat isn't really a good idea for Democrats who usually thump the RACIST!!! drum to shut up opponents of their crazy policies.

Trump is also showing the way on how to handle the leftist bias in the press - get in their faces and ridicule them. Don't accept their premises, don't argue their points, change the subject and make THEM the story.

I don't want Trump to be President, but I like his message about "Make America Great Again" rather than Obama's "Fundamentally transform and decline America". Strength and pride will win over supplication and weakness.

 

Rove should retire. He's less and less relevant with each passing day.

 

Um...nothing in that article said anything about them voting for Hillary instead of Trump. I have no idea where you got that. Most likely they'd vote for a 3rd party or write-in or not vote at all. Those are the options I would consider.

Trump is not better than Hillary. He's worse. Hillary has far more experience and is not an insane 12 year old child.

Maybe if you are a sheep who ignores every other option. Your assumption that we have a 2 party system is incorrect. My last ballot had more than 9 or 10 parties, and a space for write ins.

 

So tell us the last time a 3rd party or write-in was elected president?

 

I don't have a problem with that. The Republican party is going to need to adapt. I was a hardcore Bush supporter, and I am considering leaving the party for the first time in 15 years.

I agree, but he is the wrong man to do it. No one will take him seriously other than a fringe demographic for which this is their main issue. Trump is a complete tool. Without this issue he would have no support at all.

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What does that have to do with anything?

If the choices were between Hitler and Stalin you would not consider a 3rd party unless they could actually win?

 

Karl Rove knows about the lunatic fringe. He's been courting them for decades!

 

Speaking of Trump and perhaps making it to the general election, QUINNIPIAC released this on 30 July.

General election:
Bush 42 Clinton 41
Clinton 44 Walker 43
Clinton 48 Trump 36

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

If you click on the Quinnipiac you will find if you read into the poll that Biden beats Trump 49-37 and even Sanders beats Trump 45-37.

Trump has the worst favorability rating of any Republican or Democrat, a negative 27 – 59 percent among all voters, with Clinton getting a negative 40 – 51 percent score, her worst ever. Ratings for other leading contenders are:
• 43 – 41 percent for Bush, his best score ever;
• 36 – 27 percent for Walker, also his best ever;
• 49 – 39 percent for Biden, his best score in seven years;
• 32 – 25 percent for Sanders, his best score ever.

 

Hillary has experience alright, in selling out this country. After the information of secrets SOLD overseas, not literally but actually figuratively who the hell could nominate her for POTUS? This pool of candidates suck. And if you rolled the dice on Obama, you can roll a dice on Trump. Worse comes to worse, we're at it again in 2020 with a much better selection of candidates.

Right now these are (*)(*)(*)(*) poor candidates for the White House. Can you honestly see any of them making great presidents?

 

The point stands on its own.

By the time Hitler or Stalin won the nominations for their respective party and we were at the poles to choose, we would already be enamored of one over the other and pick that one.

The collective populace doesn't have the balls to actually go outside the political norms in this country, otherwise we'd have seen a 3rd party elected before now.

We all love to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and gripe about what corrupt thieves and liars our dems and repubs are, but we always elect one....even with 3rd party options.

and that doesn't even address the "good 'ole boy" system that works to ensure we keep it that way.

 

LOL, no. I would sooner vote for myself than Trump. I literally think I can do the job better than he can. Policy aside, Obama is light years more competent than Trump.

I can see some being far worse than others.

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Maybe they just have not been presented with choices bad enough to motivate them yet. Trump has managed to severely pіss off at least 1/3 of his own party already, enough so that they will not even consider voting for him. That is really bad.

 

I will admit, Trump hasn't made much in the way of official statements or put out an official posiiton. But the statements he has made, has resonated. I myself hate the idea of giving this country up to the third world, just so you can say you're being "inclusive." If being inclusive is so necessary for some people, why not visit these countries? Oh wait, no? Why not?

This is OUR country, you think the Canadians would accept us openly with open arms? Or how about Mexico? Would they? Neither is likely. There's only one USA, stop trying to sell it for profits. You'll find we may experience what the Israelis experienced: Exodus. Want that?

 

Trump is an amusing billionaire version of Michele Bachman

 

Not a big fan of Rove, but he has a good point. You make a better point. IMO, the other rep candidates should be screaming louder than Trump about boarder issues. Instead, they gang up on Trump and don't give their position at all. Chris Christie used to be the guy who yelled the loudest, now he's milk toast. Time for the reps to show some balls and tell it like it is. Trump isn't afraid to say it. I like that. Screw liberalism, shove it back in their face, drive the narrative instead of pissing your pants when a liberal puts you on the spot. Stand up!

 

Karl Rove, now there's a deep thinker. He and his RNC establishment consulting crown have done more to turn the Republican party into populist, weak-kneed poll junkies than any Dem could have hoped for. I can't stand the little troll. And if this idiot was half as smart as he wants others to think he is, maybe he can explain why he and his spineless "be nice, Mitt" buds managed to loose the last presidential election!
Anyway, polls like he's sighting are fairly meanless right now anyway and he knows it. He's just trying to throw water on Trump's parade because Trump isn't calling him or his pals for advise and because Trump's making his establishment candidates look like girly men. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sickeng.

 

No one implied they would vote for Hillary. Their decision to split the party if Trump gets the nod would give the democrat (Hillary at the moment) the executive branch with a nice little bow tied on it. That goes for voting 3rd party or not voting at all. That is how the two party system works.

Never said he was.

1 sheep doesn't make much of a difference, many sheep, you have what we have now. Two dominant viable parties that are relevant in determining who will become president. No other party comes close, and if one of the two becomes divided the keys to the White House will automatically be passed to the one who keeps it's sheep together. That may change in a few generations, but not likely to happen in our lifetimes.

 

I seem to remember Rove telling me that the polls were wrong a few days before the 2012 election and that Romney would get 300 electoral votes. lol Karl Rove, a proven polling expert.

 

I think Karl Rove hangs around the Fox News studio begging for anybody to have him on at any possible slot.

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Rove is a moron, and a die hard Bush supporter. One and the same really.

 

That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Little Missy Cankles can't even figure out email.

And screeching, "What difference does it make," is hardly an adult thing to do.

Entertaining!

 

Rove does so well with polling.

 

Trump would be more disastrous to this country than Hillary. I would rather have the disaster blamed on a dem than on a so-called Republican. I have seen no evidence that Trump is anything but a RINO. If you'll note, he didn't have this change to being Republican until after Hillary lost the primary. Personally, I think Trump is a democrat, trying to insure that we get another dem after Obama. Trumps donation to McCain, and his switch to donating to Republicans vs. dems didn't happen until late May 2008, which is around the time Hillary Clinton conceded to Obama. Trump is working hard to insure that dems will stay in the White House.

 

LOL Would LOVE to see it end up being Trump vs. Sanders. People would rather vote for a proud socialist than a blowhard who speaks out of his ass.

 

It's still very early. All these polls do is let us know where things stand as of today. Not more than a year from now. But with Trump, unless he figures out to get his 60% disapproval rating down to a more manageable level, I doubt if he is going to win anything. He is hot today, not a year from now when it might mean something meaningful.

Independents do not like Trump one bit. It is that group he must win around 54% of if he is to become president. Right now he would have trouble getting 40% if that.