"Kill them unless they convert" (ISIS is just FOLLOWING a "great religion")

It's a great shame, I think. Perhaps an hour two spent in a picturesque mosque, enjoying the peace and clean stillness that such places offer, would be all that's needed. No one trying to convert them, no grandstanding pastor or 'rock' bands, and no arm waving, just the relaxed and private worship of the faithful, and the cool of marble and water.

 

There was NO government at all in Arabia at the time of Muhammed and no king either.

They don't kill gays in Arabia.. and I have never heard of an honor killing there.

 

This only confuses the problem. What does it mean to be "fanatical" in regards to religion? Where you see a fanatic I see a true believer. You can muster up all the quotes you want on the peaceful nature of any of the major three religions and there will be plenty more non-peaceful quotes to counter it with.

If it wasn't for the moderate peaceful believers in the world the fanatics wouldn't have a leg to stand on. You would either have to tell people what to believe or respect the fanatics right along with the moderates.

 

Fanatic=true believer=fundamentalist= brainwashed. Yes, not moderate, not prioritizing a secular-type standard of discerning right from wrong.

Eliminating religion would solve one kind of problem but leave others to surface. Some people just can't get a decent grip in a secular lifestyle. Most people need something outside of themselves as an ideal to strive for; those who can't find the requisite perspective and scope must hitch their allegiance to a "higher power" in order to keep themselves in line, as an antidote to the hedonistic trap. The radicals use it for an agenda, a means for gain.

The ruling class benefits from having religion to control the masses and is not likely to usher in any type of radical upgrade or replacement in the near future, unless the theme of the Georgia guidestones is the actual future to be implemented. [In the now defunct Comcast Forum, it was suggested that the entrenched elites were seeking "obesience."]

We are left with only the quality of consciousness separating followers of blind ignorance from followers of informed civility.

 

I sometimes suspect that it's the soft option. That is to say, when weighing up the 'something outside oneself as an ideal to strive for' options, it strikes me that those pertaining to earthly concerns (environmental degradation, social inequities, human rights abuses, etc etc) demand a significant commitment of time and energy from the individual. That is to say, they're often darned hard and real work.

Consider what 'work' is involved in ingratiating oneself to an invisible and silent being.

 

You shouldn't be forced to respect anything. Its a choice. People in a free society need to have it that way. I don't have respect for Islam. I don't. I don't have respect for Atheism either. You don't have to have respect for Christianity. You live in a free society......

 

it's good to see this, from a Christian. so often I've heard "faith should be respected" from Christians. the closest I've ever come to an explanation for WHY, is a dear old girl who said "well it brought great comfort to old uncle so-and-so before he passed away". on that basis, we should also respect pillows, chocolate, golf magazines, bed pans, clean windows, and socks. all of which also brought uncle so-and-so comfort as he lay in hospital waiting for the lights to dim. if, on the other hand, he'd been of a disposition to derive comfort from fluffy porn (aka, naked big girls), we'd need to respect that.

 

It's a characteristic of every monotheistic religion to torture and murder heretics.
Christians did it for centuries, and they did it to Muslims, and native Americans, and Catholics did it Protestants and Protestants did it to Catholics. And everyone did it to Jews....And Jews did it to every one back in the day, and their taking care of business lately against Muslims.

Because if there is only one god, that god can give you permission to kill the people who don't do exactly as HE says (or as his priests say HE says)....

 

the convert or kill method has also been used by Christians, imagine that, same God, same killings in the name of that God

 

exactly, we just have to respect the Constitution and respect the same rights for those that believe different then we do, we do not have to respect their actual beliefs

 

'Hallowed are the ori!' Oops wrong religion, right?

 

The problem with the Quran is it explicitly supports this sort of thing, while at the same time explicitly denouncing it. The nuts of the cracker is it also gives the context when it is supported, and it clearly states that the promulgation of Islam allows misinformation of misrepresentation of ones faith to achieve penetration into environments where the other behaviors are not possible. As soon as Sharia law is enabled fully, then the pretense of 'religion of peace' becomes unnecessary and it can revert to the other behaviors as required to achieve the primary goal of complete submission to the patriarchal structure of its 'church'. Which is just another form of violent dictatorship, which happens to be criminal and immoral by any standard of universal decency or compassion.

The religion of Islam learnt long ago that it's easy to talk in circles, I'd wager it was learnt from their culture of nomadic trading where often negotiations can be worn down through attrition and tricks.

Unfortunately technology allows people to be more stupid, so in the West the weakness's of wealth (relative wealth) leads women who are vulnerable to be attracted to the idea of a secure marriage, and the weak men are attracted to having a subservient wife. The wealth divide in the West thusly further disempowers the poor (who will always be the majority) to seek those things in the absence of the things wealth provides through competitive advantage. With the West being based on democratic principles, it then creates an environment where whatever systems manipulate the poor most effectively (like union movements and religions such as Islam) can actually tear down the complex structures of a developed and advanced society. The reality of the result is lost entirely on those because they are trapped in a victim mentality and do not understand that they were originally very wealthy by world standards.... until the world they created brings down the hard work of previous generations of hard workers who had to be smart and gutsy to overcome the real obstacles of real poverty.

 

Have you actually read the Koran or lived in the Arab world?