King: Establishing Palestinian state on Palestinian national soil strategic

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    King Abdullah II: Establishing Palestinian state on Palestinian national soil strategic priority

    [05/09/2010 18:47]
    www.petra.gov.jo/Artical.aspx?Lng=1&Section=1&Artical=218462

    Amman, September 5 (Petra - Jordan news agency) -- His Majesty King Abdullah
    II on Sunday met with a number of editors-in-chief of local newspapers and
    media officials and briefed them on the latest developments in peacekeeping
    efforts particularly the outcome of his visit to United States last week to
    attend the launch of direct Palestinian-Israeli peace talks.

    The King spoke about his meetings with US President Barack Obama, Egyptian
    President Mohammad Hosni Mubarak, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which were devoted to discuss
    ways to make face-to-face negotiations a success to resolve the
    Palestinian-Israeli conflict on the basis of the two-state solution.

    The meeting also touched on the Kingdom's efforts to push peace efforts
    forward and achieve comprehensive peace whose core is an independent,
    sovereign and viable Palestinian state.

    King Abdullah reiterated that Jordan deems establishing an independent
    Palestinian state on Palestinian national soil as a strategic priority and
    interest and will spare no effort to support the Palestinian brothers to
    restore their legitimate rights particularly their rights of freedom and
    statehood.

    He said that Jordan's position which everyone knows, is that regional peace
    and stability can not be achieved without solving the Palestinian-Israeli
    conflict based on the two-state solution and within a comprehensive peace
    according to credible terms of reference namely the Arab Peace Initiative.

    The direct Palestinian-Israeli negotiations, which kicked off in Washington
    last week, provide an opportunity to settle the Palestinian-Israeli
    conflict, the King added, stressing that talks should be dealt with
    positively and should address all final status issues with a vision that
    commit to the two-state formula and seeks to achieve its as soon as
    possible.

    The King warned that failure will affect all and the region's countries and
    the whole world will pay the price of failure as the alternative will be
    more wars and conflicts.

    King Abdullah said that President Obama had told him that he and his
    administration are committed to achieving peace based on the two-state
    solution which guarantees an independent Palestinian state that lives in
    peace and security alongside Israel, adding that President Obama had pledged
    to actively engage in peacemaking efforts .

    The King noted that the USA considers Palestinian-Israeli peace a national
    security interest.

    King Abdullah stressed that Jordan protects its interests and future and
    that there are institutional mechanisms which constantly follow up and
    protect the Jordanian interests in the negotiations.

    "All parties are aware of our position which we make everyone know strongly
    and clearly", King Abdullah said, stressing that "our priority is to protect
    out country and future and we are able to do so".

    //Petra// AA .

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    IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis
    Website: www.imra.org.il
     
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    This duplicitous wimp playing a game with living humans, refuses to accept his own citizens holding Jordanian Passports and Jordanian IDs left behind after the Israeli-Jordan Peace Treaty October 26, 1994.... He went as far as canceling the national Identity of his own citizenry (who are mostly of Palestinian stock) if ever caught with any smidgen of irredentism against Jordan.

    The Israeli Palestinian problem can be diffused overnight if this so called Jordanian dwarf will take his citizens back and offset the whole situation.
    He rather see that problem deteriorate like a festering wound rather than lose his throne... What a tragedy, what a tragic operatic figure, what a selfish self centered Royal behavior.
     
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    I posted the above on Sept 06, 2010... yet no one has challenged it, you mean to say that there is not ONE so called citizen of Jordan reading here?
    They speak English in Jordan... why should not someone from this country write something about this "Dwarf King of Jordan"?
     
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    They can't go on living under brutal occupation forever.

    They didn't live in Jordan.. Palestine was their home.

    Would you have someone force you to change your citizenship?

    What do you think would happen to you in the US if you went on to your neighbor's property and cut down his trees and ripped out his grapevines?

    You would go to jail, be fined and have to pay restitution..

    That's what democracy, rule of law and equal rights looks like.
     
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    Could you give the readers some proof of this above libel to validate some of your accusations?

    You and yours have yet to digest, that there is no such a thing [as described above] and the JEWS ARE IN THEIR OWN REALM and the Arabs are squatters... They did build houses for themselves [this is absolutely true] on Israeli salaries though.

    Once again for the record very few are 'Land owners' the majority are 'Land workers'... and STATE LAND belongs to the Israeli Government it does not belong to the Arabs!!!! Ask yourself why???
     
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    Further, just to illustrate what I wrote above... Without sounding repetitive... The Land that the so called settlers are building on is Land liberated from Jordan (thus Government Land] and is not the so called Arabs of Israel, because in 1948 the fight was between two Armies in this areas the Jordanian Army and the Israeli Army... Guess who won?

    In addition there was never such an entity called Palestinian since this was opted [16 years later] in 1964 by Yasser Arafat the Egyptian born in cahoots with the KGB.
     
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    Sure.. read any of the Israeli newspapers or the history of Transjordan.
     
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    The West Bank was never Jordanian.. it was administered by Jordan.
     
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    We know that their goal was never to create a Palestinian State in the West Bank, but that does not then translate to ethnic cleansing of the rest of Palestine simply because Jordan was in violation of the United Nations (of tyrants too) Charter from 1948 to the Treaty with Israel in its illegal administration of Palestine.

    Had to find another link, yours seemed broken:

    http://www.jordanembassyus.org/new/newsarchive/2010/09072010002.htm

    Are you sure you are not an Arab or Muslim out to destroy Israel? You argue on their behalf so well.
     
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    The British also administered Palestine without it being "legal"...

    So many Palestinian Arabs.. Muslims and Christian were driven into Jordan in 1948.. It was a huge refugee burden on a small, poor country.

    You can read accounts by Americans who visited Jordan within the decade that followed.
     
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    You keep on repeating this, and I keep on asking you to justify the statement or at least to define which type of Arab you are referring to, but you never do. I can therefore only conclude that you are a classic Myth-bot.

    Be a mensch. Show your reasons and not just the lip-flap.
     
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    There was never an entity called Trans-Jordan, Transjordan and today Jordan...
    This area was part and parcel of the Mandate for Palestine...
    There was no West Jordan or East Jordan... It was a Unit that the Brits surreptitiously excised from a whole... The Population of Jordan is 79% Palestinian!
     
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    When you become a mensch yourself I will be on the same level Matamoros!
     
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    I frankly thought you are a knowledgeable person in history, unfortunately you are not!
    The temerity/gall you have to suggest that your opponent "go read" is beyond the realm of sanity when you the poster know very little of what you write about...

    Jordan declared the annexation of the West bank and East Jerusalem on April 24, 1950, giving all residents automatic Jordanian citizenship. ...

    ONLY 2 x countries ALL IN ALL, recognized this annexation, this was the UK and Pakistan, no member of the Arab League recognized this illegal annexation.

    Who is the person that has to 'go read' about the subject matter?
     
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    You might consider looking at some maps.. It was called Transjordan.
     
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    Actually the Arab League did recognize it because travel to and from the Arab states was permitted.
     
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    I challenge you to show where I have lied. Once again you break forum rules, yet provide zero evidence. Cheap ... VERY cheap. Low ... very low scholarship, HB, and zero sophistication.

    In fact, HBendor on this topic of lying and of Arab migration, do you remember someone who did lie by using demonstrably false data regarding Arab population growth? Who made quotes that deliberately reversed the meaning of the historical facts. Would you like me to show who this person was, because I DO HAVE evidence of deception.
     
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    Can you substantiate the above?
    Will you provide a link to an official document?
    Where was it written, declared that the Arab League recognized this illegal annexation?

    Well, let me rush to announce here that you will only provide scant proof of nothing... because from past indications you have not provided any!
     
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    I am someone that stuck his nose years after years in maps as this was imperative that I do.

    a) During the Ottoman Empire [400 years] from 1517 -1917 the maps of this area, the official maps showed 'Ottoman Empire' and nothing else...

    b) Every student of history knew then, that the word 'Palestine' indicated an AREA and not a STATE as no independent state was in situ during the 400 years of the 'Ottoman Empire'!!!

    I did look at the maps, now it is your turn to scrutinize one between 1517 - 1917...
     
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    First Jordan is not a small country compared to Israel, for in reality it is 77% of the 'Mandate for Palestine' while Israel is 23% of this same Mandate...

    No one drove anyone to anyplace exactly as 8 Millions Muslims from India drifted north and created a strictly Muslim state now called Pakistan on 14th August 1947, while 8 Million Hindus left the northern area and returned to India proper.

    If you would have stated that this was an exchange of population this would have been the first time that I would have agreed with you.

    Alas a lot of peoples in this world shy away from studying history and rather rely on hear say and innuendoes... There were quite a few population exchanges in history... between Greece and Turkey, Poland and Germany etc.,

    Please 'Google' 'Population exchange'...
     
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    In addition, the following by Ambassador Ettinger would confirm without any hesitation the Arab desiderata...

    RETURN TO ANDALUSIA by Ambassador (ret.) YORAM ETTINGER

    Second Thought" "Israel Hayom" newsletter, January 25, 2012


    The collapse of Israeli-Palestinian agreements from the 1993 Oslo Accords until today stems from the fact that both Israeli and US leaders ignore the real root of the conflict. The heart of the conflict is the denial of the existence – and not the size - of any non-Muslim entity on land that, in the eyes of Muslims, is Waqf – an inalienable religious land endowment.

    On Jan. 9, 2012, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, a close associate of Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, stated that all of Israel has been Waqf since 637 C.E. and will be forever.

    To read the rest of this article, please click on the following link...

    http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=1262
     
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    THE ZIONIST IMPERATIVE
    ~by CAROLINE B. GLICK

    Excerpts
    Today’s principal form of Jew-hatred is anti- Zionism. Anti-Zionism is similar to previous dominant forms of Jew hatred such as Christian anti-Judaism, xenophobic and racist anti- Semitism, and Communist anti-Jewish cosmopolitanism in the sense that it takes dominant, popular social trends and turns them against the Jews. Anti-Zionism’s
    current predominance owes to the convergence of several popular social trends which include Western post-nationalism, and anti-colonialism.

    The problem that anti-Zionism poses for American Jewry is that it forces them to pay a price for supporting Israel. This is problematic because Zionism has never been fully embraced by American Jewry. Since the dawn of modern Zionism, the cause of Jewish self-determination placed American Jewish leaders in an uncomfortable dilemma.

    To read the rest of this article please click here
    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=255334
     
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    This is laughable...

    The Balfour Declaratioin 1917

    One has to remember that it was Gen. Allenby who sacked the Ottoman Empire from Jerusalem in 1917 and not the Arabs.

    The Mandate for Palestine included the Balfour declaration... His majesty's government views with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish People etc., etc.,

    The San Remo Conference was an international meeting of the post-World War I Allied Supreme Council, held in Sanremo, Italy, from 19 to 26 April 1920. It was attended by the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I who were represented by the prime ministers of Britain (David Lloyd George), France (Alexandre Millerand) and Italy (Francesco Nitti) and by Japan's Ambassador K. Matsui.

    Text of the Resolution
    San Remo Resolution - April 25, 1920

    It was agreed –

    (a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the process-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

    (b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:

    The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.

    The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    La Puissance mandataire s’engage a nommer dans le plus bref delai une Commission speciale pour etudier toute question et toute reclamation concernant les differentes communautes religieuses et en etablir le reglement. Il sera tenu compte dans la composition de cette Commission des interets religieux en jeu. Le President de la Commission sera nomme par le Conseil de la Societe des Nations. [The Mandatory undertakes to appoint in the shortest time a special commission to study any subject and any queries concerning the different religious communities and regulations. The composition of this Commission will reflect the religious interests at stake. The President of the Commission will be appointed by the Council of the League of Nations.]

    The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval.

    Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article [132 of the Treaty of Sèvres] to accept any decisions which may be taken in this connection.

    (c) Les mandataires choisis par les principales Puissances allies sont: la France pour la Syrie, et la Grande Bretagne pour la Mesopotamie, et la Palestine. [The officers chosen by the principal allied Powers are: France for Syria and Great Britain for Mesopotamia and Palestine.]

    In reference to the above decision the Supreme Council took note of the following reservation of the Italian Delegation:

    La Delegation Italienne en consideration des grands interets economiques que l’Italie en tant que puissance exclusivement mediterraneenne possede en Asie Mineure, reserve son approbation a la presente resolution, jusqu’au reglement des interets italiens en Turquie d’Asie. [The Italian delegation, in consideration of large economic interests that Italy as a power possesses exclusively Mediterranean in Asia Minor, reserves its approval of this resolution until the settlement of Italian interests in Turkey in Asia.]
     
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    The usual suspects try to counter HBendor, a knowledgeable gentleman, and fail, in my opinion.

    However, I am pro-Zionism, pro-Israel, pro-factual-history.

    Frankly, I wonder why the anti-people would choose the Muslim worlds and Islam over Israel and Judaism. I am not religious but I appreciate the traditions, especially thise that have become civil, democratic, pluralities and so forth.
     
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    Sounds like you just described Netanyahu to a 't'. You sure you didn't get the name wrong?
     

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