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??? Gubarev never used anything of fascism in Donetsk.
The photos of RNE members (the guys in the photos are different because the shape of their ears is different and the forehead as well, basically its a photo of skin head which almost every russian would look alike.

 

No response? I expected as much.

No, they're a Russian scape goat. They have not been charged with one hate act. The only thing their guilty of, is being far right. Ultra nationalism, no gun restrictions, and complete economic independence, while stupid, are no crimes. Unlike other ultra nationalist groups, they are opposed to authoritarianism, racism, and corporations in general.

I would go as far as to call them a extreme populist party.

Converse now. Or have you confirmed my suspicions, and are left without excuses?

 

Actually, I would be interested in knowing why people keep scape goating them. They're not extremist in any way. Just a bunch of average right wing idiots. I encourage you to find 5 extreme ideals in this platform. Know what, lets make that three. Take the challenge people.

It seems people's real problem with them, has been there open support for integration into Europe, and the west. Undoubtebly why they became the Pro-Imperialist scape goat. I read their platform, and this is basically all they are advocating.....

1. Integration into European institutions.

2. Establishing an anti corruption bureau

3. Four entries on humanitarian reform.

4. Allow criminals to be tried by juries

5. Electing Sheriffs (Like in the US)

6. Becoming completely economic and energy dependent (A fascist idea, but not a bad one)

7. Dividing Ukraine into individual federal states

8. Social security, housing, public health care, and pensions

9. Visa free entry into Ukraine (Left wing immigration)

10. To strengthen ties with the west, abolish binding treaties with Russia, and declare non-alligned status.

11. Fund Ukrainian ethnic groups (Tartars, Slavs, ect.) living abroad with citizenship and government money

12. Reform the constitution to become a three house democracy

Please tell me what's wrong with this. The only two things, as an ultra left liberal, that upset me, was the nationalization of the church. The Pro-Imperialist demonization of a few populists is pathetic.

http://pravyysektor.info/articles/p...ionalnoji-ideji-u-protsesi-derzhavotvorennya/

 

Response on what? Russian TV has never used Gubarev as fascist. And there were no reason to invent something like that, cause Kiev was flooded with example of burning policemen and fascsists in Maidan.

So they are good fascists, right?

Populism is not about molotov cocktails...

It is difficult to prove that a dog is a dog. First tell me the definition of fascism which you trust and if I find it correct I will try to make it quick. But it really deserves a separate discussion.

 

We know enough, in fact he cannot enter EU, he cannot have bank current accounts in a EU country and he cannot own real estates in EU territory ...

 

That man is the leader of the Dunbass People's Millitia. Unless.......... Russian Media was lying? Never.........

 

Adobe Photoshop.

 

Still waiting for you to prove how parliament members are fascists.

The only people who refer to them as fascists are the Russian media. Healthcare, direct democracy, energy independence, federalization, and open immigration. Those are four things Mussolini openly criticized. They are heavy populists.

Still waiting on a hate crime they have been charged with..........

Populism has taken some pretty radical forms over the years. IE, the Tea Party.

Fascism, according to Mussolini's 14 points, is as follows (I'll give a few)

- Rule by corporate intrests (PRS is opposed to big business)

- Imperialism (PRS is opposed to imperialism of any sort)

- Hyper Nationalism (Granted, but that's not a crime)

- Authoritarianism, or complete power to the state (PRS wants direct democracy)

- The Independence of individual bodies (PRS wants to spend billions on the poor and nationalize health care)

Please stop beating the Bush. How are parliament members fascist?

 

Once again, the Russian media must of lied........

 

You just don't listen carefully. Gubarev was proclaimed a 'people's governor'. He is a civil person and he is not a war leader. Donetsk self-defense army is leaded by different people of military origin and experience.

 

So, Kim Jung Un is declared the "People's Supreme Ruler", but does that mean he represents their best interests. Titles are meaningless. I don't recall him being elected, or serving in any army. What we do know, is that he was a part of a neo nazi movement.......

Russian media wouldn't lie,right?

 

Kin Jung Un cannot be a fascist. He is a communist. And far rights are the worst enemies of far lefts.

Why not? I don't care what russian media tells. Especially now.

 

North Korea is most certainly a fascist. Google it. Juche was a philosophy modified after Benito's very own doctrine.

Of course, because they are all unreliable.With them out of the picture, who's left taking your side?

 

Man is not woman. Communist is not fascist. There is no need to google such well-known things.

I don't know what you are speaking of.

Me is enough. I am the one responsible for my views, so it is quite enough of just me for my own views. I don't need to look for supporters trying to back up my own hesitations. Such a conduct is not very human I would say.

 

word my friend , just word ...

 

He is a neo nazi

Russia relies on extremists

Link for both

http://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...rn-ukraine-far-right-eurasianism-slavic-unity

Her interest is most certainly not the people but simply to get Ukraine into the Eurasian Union.

 

+1, every one knows it ...

 

its true, let me tell you how his Goebbels propaganda machine work

All Russian TV channels (except 1 very marginal one) posts a total outrageous lie like this story

" Ukrainians eat human flesh of the Russian Patriots " (Russian prime time show on the main TV channel)
[video=youtube;6-IyTjOEeY4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6-IyTjOEeY4[/video]

in the same time, 1000 Kremlin- trolls start the Goebbels storm in the social media. repast this outrageous lie 1000 000 times, attack anyone who is disagree . finally week people and those who buy from the phone sells-men take the "strongest side" .

 

there are 4 Donetsk "republics" some say 13, so what? Gubarev is one of biggest terrorist leaders , .and they all just "proclaimed " agents or/and alcoholics ...

we all know that he is a Gubarev so what is your point?

 

I can find sites where it is written that he is a democrat. I do not believe in what is written on the web sites. He was selected by people- the rest is not important.

 

Feel free to put your head in the sand but it doesn't make you any more credible. This is the second time in a few posts you have done this.

Open Democracy is a very reputable site. It is not a populist or tabloid site.

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About Anton Shekhovtsov

You know the old saying 'you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink'. We seem to have come to that.

Do your own search, you will find what we say is true unless of course a lot of material is banned to you.

I couldn't find the other picture and hope it is not the same link but here it is again

http://maidantranslations.com/2014/...-out-to-be-an-inveterate-russian-nazi-photos/

The OpenDemocracy site though is more intellectual.

 

Common, who told you that Open Democracy is a reputable site? The same way I can say that the newspaper Pravda is the most respectable newspaper in the world. You believe in what they write in Open Democracy, but your belief has nothing to do with the reality. Some people believe in existence of other civilizations in our Universe, but it does not mean that they truly exist.

 

You can prove it is not? It would appear you are very open with unsubstantiated allegations. Open Democracy does not carry any Government line. The writer of that article is an expert in the field. I have read several of his articles. At one point papers were asked to stop writing things about Ukraine until they knew what they were tallking about. He is one of the people to study.

You only show your ignorance here. Open Democracy is the absolute opposite of Pravada. Here you find a place where people are usually intellectuals or experts on the subject and where they are free to write what they believe to be true. You may be unaware of this but one of the things intellectuals and experts take great care to make sure is correct is facts.

Now you are being offensive and engaging in personal attacks. One warning. Next time I report. I too am educated to above honours level and I do not take anything blindly. While that may be how you work if I make a point of telling you a site is sound, it is. Again, stop these personal attacks. While they are common from people with no argument they are against forum rules.

More personal attacks. You have shown yourself incapable of responding to information given and have refused to engage in debate limiting yourself to denial which you do not back up and personal abuse. I warn you again. This is against forum rules. This is a site for debate not baiting. Any more personal attacks and abuse and I report you.

 

Writer of the article is an expert? PhD student can not be an expert. Paid article. I better study Engels. And I do not care about your warnings. Yes, write a report about your personal abuse to Obama, he will certainly support you.

 

quote of the day "selected by people", how?