KUWAITI WRITER -"ISRAEL IS A LEGITIMATE STATE, NOT AN OCCUPIER; THERE WAS NO PALESTINE"

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    Kuwaiti writer Abdullah Al-Hadlaq said that Israel was an independent and legitimate sovereign state and that there was no occupation, but instead, "a people returning to its promised land." "When the State of Israel was established in 1948, there was no state called 'Palestine,'" said Al-Hadlaq. He recalled that he had once written: "I wished that we could be like the people of the State of Israel, who rallied, down to the very last one, to defend a single Israeli soldier." In the interview, which was broadcast by the Kuwaiti Alrai TV channel on November 19, Al-Hadlaq further said that he believed in peaceful coexistence with Israel and envisioned a three-way alliance of Israel, the Arab Gulf states, and America "in order to annihilate Hizbullah beyond resurrection." The interview caused an uproar in the Arab media and social networks.
    Host: "What is Israel? What does it represent? Is it a state? A group? A terrorist organization? An entity? How can we define it before we go into our topic of discussion?"
    Abdullah Al-Hadlaq: "Like it or not, Israel is an independent sovereign state. It exists, and it has a seat at the United Nations, and most peace-loving and democratic countries recognize it. The group of states that do not recognize Israel are the countries of tyranny and oppression. For example, North Korea does not recognize Israel, but this does nothing to detract from Israel or from the fact of its existence, whether we like it or not. The State of Israel has scientific centers and universities the likes of which even the oldest and most powerful Arab countries lack. So Israel is a state and not a terror organization. As I was saying, it is an independent country..."
    Host: "Is it a legitimate country?"
    Abdullah Al-Hadlaq: "Yes, it is legitimate. It received its legitimacy from the United Nations.
    "My colleague called Israel 'a plundering entity,' but this may be refuted both in terms of religion and politics."
    Host: "In what way?"
    Abdullah Al-Hadlaq: "From the religious perspective, Quranic verse 5:21 proves that the Israelites have the right to the Holy Land. Allah says: 'When Moses said to his people... Oh my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you.' So Allah assigned that land to them, and they did not plunder it. The plundering entity is whoever was there before the arrival of the Israelites. Therefore, I do not go for obsolete slogans and terms like 'Zionist plundering entity,' and so on. The fact that I am an Arab should by no means prevent me from recognizing Israel. I recognize Israel as a state and as a fact of reality, without denying my Arab identity and affiliation."
    Guest: "I don't know... Let's determine the frame of discussion. Is Palestine and its occupation an Arab cause or a religious one?"
    Abdullah Al-Hadlaq: "There is no occupation. There is a people returning to its promised land.
    "Are you aware that the history of the Israelites is ancient, predating Islam? Therefore, we Muslims must acknowledge that the Israelites have a right to that land, and that they have not plundered it. The people who say that it was plundered are still thinking in the mentality of the 1950s and before.
    "When the State of Israel was established in 1948, there was no state called 'Palestine.'"
    https://www.memri.org/tv/kuwaiti-wr...gitimate-not-occupier-no-palestine/transcript

    I rest my case.
    I hope this Kuwaiti writer will not be killed by Muslim extremists...
     
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    This guy has more intelligence than the entire iranian government and large numbers of arab muslims combined.
     
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    Religious nutter says sky fairy promised a country to land thieves!
     
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    Palestine had 16% Jews in 1920, Fact. Rant Away, you cannot change fact!
     
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    Which means nothing, honey. Jerusalem was majority jewish, and the region was not under muslim control - it was under BRITISH to do what they wanted.

    Should also mention how the vast majority of the arab muslims there were ALSO immigrants from nearby arab countries. Forgot to mention that now, did we? Or did you do so on purpose?

    FACTS suck, don't they?
     
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    No I did not mention it because it is a lie, now you show evidence for your claim and I will show you the report from 1947 on Arab immigration.
    Jerusalem dear boy,is not a country is it!
     
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    Wow.

    Well, the nerve-wracking wait for the Scud to fall on the roof while barely breathing through the gas mask, and the heartbreaking parade of toddlers caring gas masks on the way to kindergartens, all for the sake of the Kuwaitis in the first Gulf War, don't seem so pointless anymore.
     
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    Palestine in 1920 included Jordan.

    The first reliable census in Palestine was made by the British at the beginning of the 30s.

    You cannot change fact either, and that's a fact.

    There was Arab immigration as well as Jewish immigration in Mandate Palestine, and that's another fact you cannot change.

    http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm
     
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    Total Moslems Jews Christians Others
    1922
    649.048 486,177 83,790 71,464 7,617

    These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

    16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths. Indeed, the natural rate of increase of Moslem Arabs in Palestine is the highest in recorded statistics,1 a phenomenon explained by very high fertility rates coupled with a marked decline in death rates as a result of improved conditions of life and public health, The natural rate of increase of Jews is also relatively high, but is conditioned by a favorable age distribution of the population due to the high rate of immigration.

    https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3
     
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    Interesting. I remember seeing MidEast Web, Pisa's source, saying exactly what you have said above several years ago. The guy who set up that site a Jew,said that his intent was to produce information which was as near the truth as he could find. However he died a few years ago and the site went down for some time so I am not sure it is so true now. Of course if it is, it will still say what you quoted above.
     
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    I find that UN document very useful to rebut historical revisionists who try to peddle the Israeli false narrative.
     
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    The British themselves reported data concerning Arab illegal immigration to Palestine in two annual reports. It's in the link I posted earlier.

    Nobody claimed that the bulk of Arab immigration took place after 1920.
     
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    Well it's settled then.

    Israel, being a legitimate state and not a rogue colonial occupier, must join the family of nations and comply with all IAEA inspections, and ongoing monitoring of its nuclear facilities.
     
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    I gave you the report to the UN, you gave an opinion piece.

    I claim the bulk of Jewish immigration came after 1920, if Arab immigration was before 1920, who came first?
     
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    ...and likely gets paid to say it.
     
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    All while labeling this ethnic cleansing or genocide of the Arabs.
     
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    Of course the land was stolen from Christians at one time so should it go back to Christians?
     
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    Sorry, I do not understand.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    The majority of the Jewish population in Israel is descended from Jews from Arab Nations.
     
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    That's because the claim is BS.
     
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    Certainly the Palestinian Christians should get their land back. It is appalling how the Israelis have treated them.
     
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    Oh, another revisionist who does not like the historical records from the UN.
     
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    You mean the Muslims that stole it from them.
     
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    Ethnic cleasing? Done. Genocide? Coming!
     
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    Well, the whole of the Arab population in Palestine descended from Arabs from Arabic nations, too.
     

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