Left Wing Authoritarians! Only Fitted Sheets on Beds (California Bill)

So your saying that companies going to conventions are only getting one room/ year?

 

A casual morning read of linked forum content results in a leftist demanding one research the entire internet before making any comments.

I'll get right on that.

Is it just me, or do others also see Sparky's transparent attempt to derail and deflect from leftie inspired regulation absurdity?

 

I would say I'm against most taxation, and all individual taxation. There should be some taxation for businesses that export goods and services as much of that is a result of our government's diplomatic works over the centuries, and to help pay for our armed forces that ensure safe trade lanes across the globe.

 

Fair enough. For what it's worth, I don't support this law either.

 

I can respect that.

 

If one repeats bull(*)(*)(*)(*), one will become known as a source of bull(*)(*)(*)(*). However, it's a free country....

Ah, now what we see here is an attempt to deflect the sunlight of truth away from the argument constructed upon apparent lies (the $30 million figure). It seems that whenever the right 'tells a story', any attempt to verify the supposed facts of that story is vilified in some fashion. What are they hiding?

You see, folks, the thread was never about the issue -- a particular workplace safety regulation -- but an ideological axe to grind, which is that the gov't simply has no place in regulating the safety of the work environment. This right wing corporate-loving-at-the-expense-of-the-workers meme has surfaced here before, generally with similarly illogical arguments. In this one, the union should protect the employees... all the while the right is doing everything possible to weaken and/or outlaw unions. Hmmm....

 

Your problem is that a workplace safety issue has to be legislated first, ask questions later. Such an issue could easily be worked out between the hotel industry and its workers without the government shoving some law down their throats. Its the ridiculous concept of desiring more government interference without ever bothering to allow for an alternative solution that becomes offensive to freedom loving peoples.

 

I am still waiting to hear on how the government is going to enforce this law?

will it be done by police? sheet police? hotel police? will there be safety training provided by the state as to what correct sheets should look like and how they will be fitted?

 

Suddenly, a vague potential for a 15 million dollar difference becomes the entire basis...the primary crux...of a lefties argument.

15 million...30 million...both figures are absurd, unnecessary and damaging to jobs and economic growth....

and neither erase the fact that the collectivist lefts agenda purposely damages the private sector...

or the fact that the intellectually dishonest left will spin, obfuscate, derail, deflect and outright lie to attain those ends.

Frauds, the lot.

 

Since there is no evidence of anything haven been "worked out", or even discussed, despite two-year-old studies indicating a problem, your argument seems to be based on hot air.

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[B]Female Hotel Workers Injured More Than Men, Study Shows[/B]

[I]By STEVEN GREENHOUSE -- Published: [U]November 10, 2009[/U] [/I]

[...] Other academic studies have concluded that housekeepers have a 
high injury rate because they do repetitive tasks, lift heavy mattresses [...]

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/business/11injury.html[/url]

 

What exactly did that article have to do with sheets? I seemed to have missed that, might you kindly point it out? Also there was no emphasis on California, just 50 hotels/motels across the country, which doesn't seem to be an accurate guide to state legislation that was only marginally covered by the study.

 

I think it will quite affordable after the initial expenses of a full training program to include audio/visual aids, a narc out your employer anonymous hotline, transportation to and from the office and offending hotels/motels; leaving only staffing, energy, and fuel as a on-going cost. Surely Californians can bear such a burden to rid the world of flat sheets.

 

The opposition are the ones that brought up money. Inaccurately, at that. And continue to defend the apparently false figure ($30 million). Your argument is based upon money. Yet you claim it is the "primary crux" of the left's argument. A rather delusional proposition, don't you think?

A primary crux of my argument is the right's inability to tell the truth, or at least stay within the bounds of known facts. Pointing out falsehoods is definitely within the normal bounds of debate; unfortunately for the average right wing argument.

You are essentially arguing that the private sector be allowed to damage -- purposely, in this case -- the health of its workers.

Projection, right-wing style.

The bottom line of this issue is that maids are being hurt on the job by an ever-increasing workload, and that a $30-per-room-per-year change in the style of sheets would unarguably help lessen those injuries.

The bottom line argument from the right is that the $30 is too much to pay.

 

Ooh, the cognitive thinking train left the station without you? Oh well... perhaps there will be another one by soon, or in another thread.

 

My cleaning lady is Polish.

Close enough.

 

Agreed.
Of course keep in mind this is the same state who doesn't think parents and their Children can sort out the trip to McDonalds without Government mandating whats in the happy meal.

 

Oh my, back to your lame tricks of half quotes to completely dismiss everything you can't handle. Got it.

 

I'm wondering if this eliminates the top sheet.
Would you be getting a fitted sheet and a coverlet only???

I don't get it. You have to lift the mattress (at least a little) to put the fitted sheet on too.

 

For your safety you will now be cocooned within the confine of both fitted sheets.

 

Sparks is actually arguing over the amount of costs which the hotels will incur. Whether it is $1,000,000 or $50,000,000 it is too much. There should be no regulation on fitted sheets over regular sheets. This is an authoritative nanny state gone crazy. We don't need this level of government intervention in our businesses, lives, or daily work... we are Americans not Eurotrash crybabies who need big government to tell us what to do in all facets of our existence.

 

Obviously, you don't make many beds.

The difference between lift a mattress "a little" for a top sheet vs. lifting a mattress A LOT to properly secure a flat sheet is enormous! Do it 100 times a day (remember, you have to do each corner) on king siz mattresses, and injury is much more than a remote possibility!

California IS concerned about its budget! What does it cost society for a person who can't work their job anymore? A hotel can just hire another maid, but the injured worker is a society problem in one way or another.

The Right's desperate desire to save pennies why dollars are squandered is never going to be the route to a profitable and strong country.

 

Hah, now we can't even make beds without crying about the work. Boy have we fallen. What do we intend to offer the world again, outside of a bunch of spoiled whiny (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) who complain about work?

 

There ARE employer mandates for euipment and conditions to minimize RSI injuries for people who use computers.

Odd how there was not a peep about thoe rules for computer users online! Could it be those regulations are OK because the whiners here are compuetr users, and none of them hotel maids?

Only a minuscule number of maids in California are union members.

Well, if they ALREADY HAVE mops and brooms, then the law is meaningless. But they often do not. You entirely unerestimate the venality of hotelkeepers.

And some maids do buy some of their own equipment, but we why should employers save a few dollars yet saddle the taxpayers with injured workers in their cruel venality?

Like anti-theft laws are for those who can't contain their rapacious desires, Workplace safety laws are for employers who can't contain THEIR rapacious desires.

And "free market forces" will not work to contain these irresponsible employers, because the employers who destroy people get to make the most profits thereby put the responsible employers out of business.

 

When did hotels get the right to put guns to people's heads and force them to do all these insidious jobs? Oh, wait, people work there of their own volition, and amazingly accept the job knowing full well what is expected of them. Seems to me a lot of hotels really need to fire the help that lied about being able to do the job they agreed to do. They should hire people that will actually honor the contract between employer and employee.

 

I, and apparently everyone else -- since you were the only one to voice confusion -- was able to "handle" the link between "heavy mattresses" and the relative effort required to fit the two different types of sheet to them.

The remainder of your post was a second attack on the relativity of the study. Since I pwned you so badly on the first attack (the section quoted above) I deemed it overkill to deliver a second blow. However, it is quoted below in its entirety since you think it was relevant; the readers can judge for themselves.