Lets celebrate! First gay-free city is in Moldova!!!

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  1. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I think you're right. Martin777 is probably laughing that people challenge his commentary.

    But I am pretty sure that most decent people can see where his views are to be questioned.
     
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    You would sacrifice such things as the constitution to the will of the majority... A quite revolutionary position by most western standards. While western culture doesn't support dictatorship, we often see the will of the majority having the potential to do equally as horrible things - like support slavery and oppresse various religious and racial minorities. Consider yourself lucky that you have not found yourself on the receiving end of the majority's beating stick - yet.

    It doesn't matter how disgusting or horrible you thing something is. If you really have THAT much problem with gay guys being around you, then you may well need psychiatric help. Not to love the gays, no.... you don't have to love them - but it's not healthy to be so incredibly disturbed by them that you can't stand to be around them and would segregate the earth around it. And frankly, you moved to San Francisco... what did you expect to find there?
     
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    Yes, you are being correct and truthful. And your response reminds me that "homophobia" is a very real problem.
     
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    Here you tell us that it's wonderful people are being forced from their families and friends, and I sound like the jerk.

    It's not progress when freedom is hampered by laws which prevent association any more than when the laws force association.
     
  5. martin_777

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    Sometimes I have a hard time understanding you. What are you talking about??? Interesting, sometimes I hear some people justify a totalitarian ruling like this – what if all vote to nuke China? You know, deliberately using something ridiculous to show that majority can be wrong. As I said, deciding what to do by a few elected guys, like 100 senators, even more dangerous. It's easier to buy/ intimidate/hypnotize/run a conspiracy of 100, but cant do that with whole nation. It’s also easier that 100 people can be wrong, then millions of people at the same time.
    So, using pure democracy is safer.



    No, you have a problem with your mess up reproductive function. You go seek psychiatric help. Segregation is a great option. Instead of pushing people on each other, why not let them be the way they want to be – apart?
    Great way to release tensions and hate!
    It’s not you business why I moved to SF and not supposed to disclose it. In fact, I already told that to another bugging me with this question user.


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    Jonny-C, remember what I told you. I don’t find your stupid posts challenging to myself, unlike mine to you, he-he :mrgreen:, so I will ignore you. Again, just remember what I told you.
     
  6. martin_777

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    I am glad that you will hate. Nobody is inviting you, BTW. We need mentally healthy people. No gays or their supporters. So, we are on the same page here, at least. LOL.
    I don’t know why everybody in the world thinks that Russia is a country of alcoholics.
    According to the “Alcohol Consumption Per Country” Russia are far behind many countries, including UK. It’s number 20.
    http://opendata.socrata.com/Government/Alcohol-Consumption-Per-Country/hj43-2bpj

    So, you failed here.

    Let’s go next. Life expectancy. Russia is in the middle, almost the average. What is not bad.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    So, you failed here.

    Weather. There are places, where it’s cold, but there are places where it’s much wormer then in most of the Europe. Including almost constantly rainy and foggy UK. Remember, we are the biggest country in the world, it’s like 44 UKs.

    So, you failed here too.


    Urban decay?
    I don’t see any decay. Our cities are getting only better and better. Not saying about Londistan, which is getting worse and worse. Or Detroit in USA. Which is a ghost city.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T6WKMNmFsxM
    I don’t think that it can be worse than that!

    So, you failed here too.

    Poverty in a rural areas? Do you know that Russia is major Wheat supplier in Europe? As a prove, recall fires and droughts couple years ago. Prices for wheat skyrocketed.

    So, you failed here too.

    Blaming problems? Who said that I blame problems on somebody? When I said that people are give a right to live away from sexual perverts, like closing a city from them??? You call it “blaming”? People don’t feel comfortable living with them, ok? It’s not like UK or US, where you are forced.

    Look, UK doesn’t even have a space program! What a loosers! You are miserable people. Brits are right on a path to extinction! Don't drag us behind! Ok?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKsZWPDXNas&feature=related"]Пуск Ð(*)Н Союз-У с ГКК Прогресс М-11М - YouTube[/ame]


    People in UK and US live in lifetime debts. Pitty on you. Too bad to be in a losing team, huh?

    Look! You failed all the way! Get lost, redneck. Do to school first, study, and again, stop living under a rock. Keep your mind open. Earth is not rotation only around your precious gays, you, UK, etc.

    In US I am for different reasons and not what you think. I got very disappointed in US, in fact. Don't you see it?
    White straight males are the most discriminated here. But I am not going to run away from it, I will fight it.
     
  7. DevilMay

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    I have no desire to engage in xenophobic nation-bashing, but the facts are the facts. Russia is known for its alcoholism. Do you see a Wikipedia article about the alcoholism in any other country??

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_in_Russia

    - 1 in 8 Deaths alcohol-related.

    - In Siberian towns, 52% of deaths aged 15 - 54 due to alcohol.

    - Males born in 2006 have a life expectancy of 60, 17 fewer than western Europe.

    - "In June 2009, the Public Chamber of Russia reported over 500,000 alcohol-related deaths annually, noting that Russians consume about 18 litres (4.0 imp gal; 4.8 US gal) of spirits a year, more than double the 8 litres (1.8 imp gal; 2.1 US gal) World Health Organization experts consider dangerous."

    Need me to go on?

    Your life expectancy is one of the lowest in the developed world. How can you say that's "not bad??? Look at the countries below you... Botswana, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan. Besting them is nothing to be proud of. You can expect to live an average of 15 years longer in the UK.

    As for weather, you just had one of the coldest winters in recorded history didn't you? Something like -30 celsius in Moscow?! Heard that people were literally freezing to death in their homes.

    Granted your cities have been investing in new developments - including building skyscrapers - but the sprawling urban decay and post-commie concrete monstrosities littering your cities and towns don't seem to be going anywhere.

    http://englishrussia.com/2008/05/05/another-view-on-stpetersburg-2/

    Indeed that's not to say the UK or US are perfect, but I've seen the Russia portrayed in countless movies (including Russian ones) and it doesn't look good. Saw a TV program where someone travelled across Russia on the Trans-Siberian railway and it looked horrifically depressing.

    I meant that with all your social problems, alcoholism, urban decay and depressing quality of life... That surely focusing on the gays would be back-burner material? But clearly not. Seems like Russian politicians are doing what a lot of politicians do best - distracting people from the real problems.

    No cities is Russia are segregated or "closed off" to gays... So I have no idea what you're talking about. You are forced to live with them just as much as you are in the UK or US.

    Mmm-hmm... And how is a space program going to help create a better life for your people? The money Russia spends on putting probes into space just to feel relevant next to NASA's infinitely superior program could be invested in education or healthcare, or maybe helping to heat people's homes so they don't freeze to death? Just saying.[

    Er, well go back to Russia then if the quality of life better, as you seem to be trying to convince us of? You're just making you life worse by choice by staying in an extremely pro-gay city as a minority who opposes gay rights and doesn't even wish to live in the same place as them. Doesn't make any sense to me.

    Being "made" to co-exist with people you don't like is not discrimination...
     
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    I am amazed at what bigots find exciting.

    Quite pathetic.
     
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    Good Grief

    and how in the heck do they prove the people engage in gay sex? is it a witch hunt of some sort ? Did the Putnam family come back from the dead to falsely accuse people of witchcraft but this time it's engaging in gay sex?
     
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    Sure lets raise a glass and cheers this momentous event.

    I heard the other day in some African country those of Islam are going after Christians. Good for them. Why should those of Islam be forced to coexist with Christians and tolerate them ?

    And those Tibetans.... Good for China for wanting to rid themselves of those who have beliefs different that what the State says they should have. Why on earth should they tolerate this violation of order and conformity in society.

    And those Arab countries .. Why were they forced by the British to tolerate those Jews back in 1920. No wonder these Arabs are so upset.
     
  11. martin_777

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    I will go on.
    You know, you sound like some kind of jerk. You are the one, who started to trash other countries, simply because they protected the rights of their own people as not to be with people they don't want to be. You trash me, I will trash you, ok? You are the one, who went off topic first. Now, you don’t want to go over it! Jee. So, shut up first. I will defend the honor of my country form a jerk like you. But I kinda got used on this forum, that people, typically from UK usually start trashing my country for no valid reason, or when I support something they don’t like. I see kind of find it oppressive to myself, these nasty attempt to shut me up.

    There is huge propaganda against Russia, as I said, to look it bad, from the Western World. So, if we consume less alcohol then UK, then why Russia is behind UK in alcohol consumption???

    http://opendata.socrata.com/Government/Alcohol-Consumption-Per-Country/hj43-2bpj
    UK is 8th, with 11.75 litters per capita.
    Russia is 20th, with 10.23.

    Alcohol Deaths Triple in U.K.
    http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/08/22/alcohol-deaths-triple-in-uk.htm

    Boozed up Britain
    http://www.whychurch.org.uk/booze.php

    I would worry!


    You used term “significantly” lower and you didn’t use “developed” world. The average is 66.57 years (64.52 years for males and 68.76 years for females). In Russia males are about 60(4.5 years below average) and females are about 74(6 years above average). So, it’s about average and this is why it's not bad. But, yes, I agree, it defiantly needs improvement, but you were wrong. Well, transition from Socialism to Capitalism was not smooth. But it’s consistently improving.



    Never heard about that people are freezing to death in their homes. We are a huge country, like 44 UKs. So, there could be -50 C in Siberia. Or much wormer by a Black Sea. -30 is rare in Moscow.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow#Climate

    It’s about average in whole Europe.


    You obviously see a Photoshop usage on many pictures, especially with first one. I also see that some buildings where demolished and new construction is on the way. I don’t understand what this should do with this.

    This is a St. Petersburg. It’s the most beautiful city of the world, it’s called “Northern Venice” due to multiple channels. And it’s a major tourist attraction. You should know that, if you are educated.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg


    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...g&biw=1024&bih=393&sei=mI9MT8TcGI7WiAL53ai-Dw

    But, hey, look! Here is London on fire, it's a war zone!
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=14247529
    A video will be played after a few seconds.
    Waooo! Jeee. This is for real, no Photoshop, he-he! These "stubborn Brits" are going crazy!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy2ibg-NYSU&feature=related"]RT News, London on Fire Video of Tottenham anti-police riots, bus blaze - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl_pv_e4Ph4"]Further riots in London as violence spreads across England 09/08/2011 - YouTube[/ame]

    Do you need me to go on?
    UK is a scary place to live, is it? Russia is nothing like that, comparing to UK.
    And Detroit is almost wholly deserted city, which used to be booming! St Petersburg doesn't' go into any comparison. It's like sky and the earth. You totally failed here.


    As we see above, you have much more problems, not just tripling deaths due to alcoholism, but you are facing a war!
    You are the one, who knows what Russian politicians do, of course. You are throwing some kind of bare worded accusations. No, it's your politicians are distracting you from the real problems – soon you will cease to exist as a nation.
    Great Britain used to be "great", but it was a long time ago. "Stubborn and proud" people have lost most of what they had and you are loosing your own country too. Yea, look, you are in a war zone! London is no longer London it's Londistan! Ha-ha-ha! You are watching the end, the end you "Great" Britain. And you can't do anything, then bend over and spread your ass chicks. I know, you are supporting gay rights, so it fits well to the situation, he-he. So, yes, keep caring about gays... I think it's the most important achievement you even done in whole history of UK. :mrgreen:
    So, as a conclusion, you are the ones who is going consistently worse over 200 years and we are the ones, who are improving.

    You are hallucinating. Point me, where did I say, that in Russia we have cities closed for gays? I think I mentioned Moldova, did I?
    There are laws in UK and US forcing me to tolerate gays.




    Yes, yes, I know, I got you here. You have nothing like that in UK.
    And who is paying money for launching the satellites, space tourists and for space station missions? So, the country is making money. This is how it’s improving the lives of the citizens.



    I don’t care what makes sense to you. You are nothing to me, but some kind of jerk from UK. I will support what I find right, I will fix that I find right to be fixed and I am not going to flee.



    Why? I don't want to coexist with some one and I am "made" to coexist. You don't ask, you don't respect the will of your people and making them do what they don't want! It's a clear violation of human rights and anti-democratic, tyrannic.
     
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    Gay people might exist around, but it doesn’t matter, things what you find irritating will be removed - you will never hear or see them around, because they will know that the town is closed for gays and they can be kicked out. And most important, there will be no gay propaganda, gay discussions, gay problems on the air, like they have it in US.
     
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    Sure, if you don’t want to coexist with someone, there should be choice not to coexist, if people want that. Why forced coexistence should be always used like it's the only solution???
     
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    Look, I don't believe in making rules just for people who have sex differently; that's just nuts.

    But, I also don't approve of banning a person because again, they choose to engage in sex differently.

    We're talking about having sex!!!! It's not rapists, murderers, people with highly contagious diseases etc............it's about sex sex sex.........how screwed up is this? It's the polar opposite of the militants who think having gay sex makes them special and deserving of a new race or gender.

    Both sides are wrong. There is the middle where we are all simply human beings.
     
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    No such thing. You do not have a "human right" to pick who can stay and who can't based on who you consider undesirable. There is no such thing, I repeat - no such thing as having your rights violated because you are "forced" to live alongside people you don't like. I don't like the look of ugly people and fat people, and a majority find it distasteful to see them in public openly displaying their affection to one another... Does this mean we have to right to exclude them from society, if it's what the majority want?

    The fact is - bar the minority of countries where homosexuality is illegal - no country "segregates" it's homosexuals. That's because the majority of people in the world aren't like you and don't believe in this non-existent "right" that says we don't have to live in the same society as people we don't like. You place on the extreme end of the anti-gay spectrum, and you'd be hard pressed even among America's vocal anti-gay lobby to find many who agree with you on this... It's a very, very radical belief let me tell you.

    Furthermore you say you don't support the death penalty/imprisonment for homosexuals, so then tell me how to you propose achieving that kind of "segregation"? Separate washrooms and workplaces? Or shipping them off to their own gay city where they must stay? Perhaps to a desert island? What is your "final solution" for the gay problem, mein führer? -_-

    It's revealing that you take a simple array of facts presented to you as being personal in nature, and kind of ironic since you yourself are an ex-pat who left Russia in search of a better life elsewhere. Careful, the old Soviet-esque national pride is showing!

    I said I personally would hate to live in Russia and stated my reasoning. You are free to "correct" me in any way you want but you've yet to convince me otherwise and I'm entitled to my opinion. Hell, even TV programs I've seen attempting to promote tourism to Russia make it look dank and depressing.

    The point is that nations with the poorest records on gay rights are usually undeveloped or backwards in some way - specifically Africa and the Middle East. And the countries in Europe with the poorest record on gay rights are IMO hands-down the worst Europe has to offer and tend to be the ex-Soviet nations. Coincidence? I don't know. But I'm completely satisfied no nation actually worth living in or even visiting for that matter has a poor record on gay rights. Sort your REAL problems out before wasting time with pointless anti-gay legislation to distract people from the poor standard of living you have to offer!

    Can't be much of an honour if you decided to leave because Russia wasn't good enough for you. Funny isn't it how I'm very happy where I live, and yet you were compelled to travel half the world to seek a better life in a country with better employment opportunities? I'm sure some people back in the motherland would call you a traitor for choosing to contribute towards America's economy instead of your own.

    My god you like playing the propaganda card don't you? Can't you just accept that a lot of people look at Russia and don't see anything they like? It seems to be a place people move away from if anything - people don't talk about "immigrating to Russia" now do they? And yet Russians have sizeable communities in Britain and the US. Speaks volumes.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

    Compiled by the World Health Organisation. We see Russia at #5. Moldova at #1.

    UK is at #18.. Which is quite bad in all honesty, and we like many western nations have our fair share of problem drinkers and alcohol-related deaths, but we don't have anything like number of deaths connected to alcohol abuse in Russia. We don't have whole towns where the the primary cause of death for men is drink. To deny Russia has a huge problem is to bury your head in the sand and do your fellow countrymen a disservice for the sake of defending some pathetic sense of "honour". Listen to what your own government is saying:

    "In June 2009, the Public Chamber of Russia reported over 500,000 alcohol-related deaths annually, noting that Russians consume about 18 litres (4.0 imp gal; 4.8 US gal) of spirits a year, more than double the 8 litres (1.8 imp gal; 2.1 US gal) World Health Organization experts consider dangerous."

    You're getting all upset and angry because I'm pointing out the facts. How can it be propaganda if your own country is saying Russia has a huge problem with drink?

    Again, not saying the UK is perfect, but the facts are the facts - alcoholism is pervasive in Russia.

    Anything below average by WORLD STANDARDS is bad when you claim to be a developed country and a global superpower. You lag behind every European country bar Ukraine (another ex-commie county). You are #113 out of #191. The UK is #20 out of #191. Our average life expectancy for a man is 77.95, yours is 64.3. That's 13.65 extra years. A HUGE difference.

    I wasn't wrong about anything. The facts are the facts - you can claim "it's not that bad" as much as you want but it doesn't change the reality.

    I wish Russia all the best in improving its citizens quality of life, but you don't get there by pretending there isn't a problem for the sake of saving face.

    I heard it on the news. Think it involved families in Siberia freezing in their homes now that you mention it. Still, Siberians are as much Russian citizens as those who live in Moscow, and it's shocking and saddening to think your government couldn't help them keep their homes warm enough. Russia may be big geographically, but the US is a big country too, and they have freezing conditions in Alaska - but I haven't heard about any Alaskans freezing to death in similar circumstances.

    The average annual temperature for Moscow is 5.8 C. When I checked the weather in January it said -30 degrees during that recent cold spell. The coldest I've seen on my car thermometer in the UK is -6 C... Bit of a difference methinks. I'll stick to my rain and fog any day. :)

    Photoshop usage?! Adjusting the colour or contrast doesn't change what the picture actually shows. I know not all Russia is like that, but it clearly shows the kind of urban decay I was talking about.

    In the UK any sites like that are usually accompanied by a crane or digger to make way for a new development. Maybe if you spent less on your space program you could invest more in attracting development? ...just saying!

    You're talking about the riots from last year? Obviously not a proud moment for this country. But I applaud our police for bringing those yobs and hooligans (which is all they really were) under control without using the well documented heavy-handed/skull-crushing methods used by certain other countries. It was also inflated by the media - I bet 99% of our population didn't see or hear any of the rioting apart from on the news.

    The point is all countries have had riots, even Russia. You had one recently in Moscow to protest your government. So I'm not sure of your point? Never claimed UK was perfect.

    Nope. Quality of life here still beats the bejeezus about of yours. Talk to me again when that changes.
     
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    You equated tolerance to having to live in the same place as them - so I reminded you that Russia, like the UK and US, has no "segregational" policy with regard to homosexuals. So according to your logic Russia "forces" you to tolerate gay people too. And I'm still not even sure what this law in Moldova is about if I'm being honest. Don't think it's segregation though.

    You must be having a laugh. Billionaire space tourism for the select few and collecting dust samples from other planets has zero effect on the day to day lives of your citizens. Russia may aswell give up its pathetic program and step aside for NASA - the ONLY organisation who will have anything valuable to contribute to the field in the long run. Just because it's "cool" and fuels your misplaced sense of national pride doesn't mean it's worth anything. Russia wants to send a man to the moon 50-60 years after the USA did it... Wowee!!! ...your people up in Siberia may be unable to heat their homes and your cities may lie in states of ruin, but hey at least Russia is making itself somewhat relevant in space!! Scandalous.

    Interestingly enough though the first space tourism in the world is being provided by a British company - Virgin.

    Er, good for you then? I couldn't care less what you waste your time on. I just find the details of your situation both bizarre and hilarious in equal measures.

    It's not at all "tyrannical" to expect people to live alongside one another - society belongs to everyone in it. It's a given that not everyone will get on with eachother but that's just life. If you can't deal with that it's your problem. You're the only person I've ever met who wants to be segregated from homosexuals. What a ridiculous notion.
     
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    You are exactly correct! Awesome commentary.
     
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    You have a choice. If you do not like Gays or Christians or whatever .. then do not hang around with them.

    This is a completely different idea when applied on a "society" level.

    This is not to say that a society/country could not be conceived based on your idea.. and indeed some are to some degree.

    I do not even think that social engineering is necessarily a bad thing within certain well defined parameters and I think we should do more of it but it is politically incorrect to even mention the term publically. Although this is changing in many European countries.

    The real question here is what are those "defined parameters".

    Your idea to "ban gays" would be a violation of any reasonably defined parameters IMO .. but that said

    What would you suggest would be some general rules wherby we could implement social engineering that would justify banning gays.
     
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    I recommend you read the federalist documents and their vision on how a system could be designed to limit the will of 100 without having to concede to the will of the majority.

    Long story short of it: Make a cumbersome system full of checks and balances, with political parties and government members that can be ousted at any moment.

    And I'm not just making up off-the-wall things that the majority could do, like vote to nuke china. I'm mentioning things the majority HAS done.
    Because segregation seems like a great waist of time and effort for such a small thing.
    I really don't care WHY you moved to san francisco. But I am curious if you're such a fan of segregation and being willing to segregate to make everyone happier, why on earth would you go to san francisco? You've violating your own policy of segregation. If you want to be happier, there are PLENTY of other places that would offer you more segregation from homosexuals.... virtually anywhere on earth is better than San Francisco.
     
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    LOL ... no kidding. How ironic .. a freudian subconscious thing perhaps.
     
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    Looks at this guy!
    Looks like he decided to continue this xenophobic discussion, even he said that he doesn't want. He started it. Pointing at Modlovians like they are some kind of subhumans, just because they closed a city from gays. Where is his English tolerance towards understanding the differences?!
    I am kind of loosing the point of this discussion, except there is some kind of bickering going on. I think I’ve touched a nerve in you, since you act like a bulldog. He-he. What happens in UK hurts you, isn’t it? The thing is that NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

    You are behaving like a God, telling me what I can have, what I should want or don’t want. Do you think that I am going to listen to some kind of jerk from UK, telling me what I can have and what I can’t? Who are you to dictate me what I should want or have?
    You listen too much to your Mass media, which defines for you what you should want or have. This case in Moldova proves my words, that if they don’t want to have certain people around – they can exclude them. This is why I call it a great progress in freedoms.
    BTW, there are no protests against ugly people, nobody hangs them or criminalize them. So, people are fine them. What we can’t tell about homosexuals.



    So what? Now we have and people in Moldova are like me. This is why I am so happy. It’s not radical, it’s very a progressive believe. It’s not my problem what kind of believes you have. Sounds like it’s your big problem what kind of believe I have. So, just keep up with it. There are different people and they are not like you.



    You are hallucinating again. Where did I say something about “Separate washrooms and workplaces”, etc? Sounds like we already went through that. I support what Moldova did. If people don’t want to tolerate gays, find them weird and sick, why they should be around them?



    Why are you so convinced that “better life” is the only reason for leaving? I spend a lot of time in both countries. And I can’t even say “I left Russia”. My home is in Russia. I see that you are making a lot of attempts to crack me down to find out what I am doing in US. Again, not your business.


    Why did you say that? Was I inviting you? You sound very xenophobic and hateful towards Russians. I would hate to live in UK. And I stated my reasoning too.

    Why do you think that you are “forwards” or developed? They are just different.
    As I mentioned in other thread, many of these countries are rich, have a very high standard of living(like Quatar, Saudi Arabia, Emirats, etc) and have a rich culture as well. Their birth rate is great, it's all points on the health of the nation. Unlike UK, which is using immigration as a last resort to "survive". So, your argument that “in poor countries people and politicians target gays for blaming for their failures” is d*amn wrong!
    Russia leads in the space technology and you are behind. You are undeveloped. And in many ways, you will not understand Russia or Russians.
    On my opinion, UK is screwed up, You are killing your nation with immigration and “gay rights”.






    Another attempt to find out what I am doing in US and my situation. I already answered.



    These “Russian immigrants” are mostly Jews, Chechens, Dagestanians, etc. These people are not liked in Russia, so they flee and requested asylums. Predominantly in 90s. I am glad that this trash goes somewhere else. Yes, especially that criminal jew - Berezovskiy.
    BTW, US is no longer attracting immigrants from Russia.
    Original:
    http://msk.kp.ru/daily/24501/654305/

    Translation:
    http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...ily/24501/654305/&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

    As you see in 2009 immigrated only 1260 people from Russia. So, relax.
     
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    I wonder why "I am upset and angry". I can feel that you want me to. I got used to it, your friend "raymondo" was also writing nasty stuff about Russia.
    The data you pointed included “unrecorded” data. Which is not an official data. By “recorded” data you are above the Russia. UK: 11.67, Russia: 11.03.
    The data vary from source to source, but even in Wiki UK consumes more.
    In fact, I wonder about deaths. If death rate from the alcohol is so high, then why I don’t have any friends or acquaintance who died from alcohol. I don’t know even any Russian celebrity who died from alcohol or drug overdose. While there are plenty on the West. Like they recently found that Garry More died from alcohol overdose. Still not convincing.



    You are hallucinating again. Russia has a WORLD AVERAGE live expectation. So, what do we compare it to? Average. Now, you realized your mistake and comparing it to UK, in order to put me down at least somehow. Right?
    But wait, if Londistan is on fire and looks like a war zone how come you are #20?
    You can point me to these numbers, how someone is trying to compare us to somebody. You can’t escape the fact, that “Great Britain” is no longer “Great”, past 200 years you lost almost everything and loosing your own country too, due to low birth rates, “gay rights” and huge immigration. We did suffer from economical chaos in 90 and how things are getting only better. In UK things are getting only worse and worse.



    The reality is that “things are not so bad”, like when I see burning Londistan, for example. I see it’s just a beginning of your collapse.
    I personally see that you started first to trash Moldova, I pointed to problems in UK, in return, then you, feeling that your stubborn English pride is injured, switched to Russia, just to find a some kind of justification “why Moldovians are wrong” according to you. You started to trash them like they are "country of prostitutes". I said that they are right and democratic, because they respected a will of their own people. So, you are trying to save your homosexual face, simply picking on the countries problems and humiliating their people - you suddenly started to point to prostitution, etc. I hope you find that many wealthy Arabic countries finally break your stereotypes, like “people in poor countries target gays to blame their problems on them”. I would start thinking how to save your face, if I were you. Tell me for example what else you find bad in Russia, clever boy.




    You know, you are such a coward. You are trying to use all kind of techniques just to put down your opponent. I’ve heard that people are freezing to death in New York. There are tons of homeless. Why government doesn’t take care of them? There are huge number of homeless in San Francisco. It’s warm city, but why government doesn’t’ help them? I’ve heard about a case when pipes blew up due to unusual frosts. So what? Sh*it happens. Dumb blew up in New Orleans. So, what these "advanced" Americans, who went to the Moon(!), couldn't prevent it?! There were a lot of scandals, how poorly the rescue was organized! the But I’ve never heard that people where freezing massively to death in their own apartment. Honestly. You hear too much your propaganda.

    So what? I think it’s could be much colder in Finland or Canada, then in many parts of Russia. So, how it should put me down?



    Yes, it is. A lot of pictures look to me unrealistic. Did you see that many pictures do have diggers?
    You know, I am pretty sure that I can find similar places in Londistan. But I won’t. I’ve already seen a war there.
    So, you better spend some money on stopping wars on streets of Londistan, # 20, instead of #113. Jee.

    Yep, I am. It’s a was zone. You can’t inflate of what you see on the video. Burning of the buildings, busses, cars… Too bad, too bad. You don’t blame gays for it, but shi*t still happens, huh? UK is a scary place for me, despite how “bad” are things in Russia, according to you. You know, we all laugh at UK, all our anti-immigration organizations pointing at Londistan and Paris, which also has a similar shi*t in 2005, they point how bad it can go and this is why we, Russians are against all kinds of immigration and what you call “Freedoms”.

    All countries? Ok. I am catching you on a word.
    Well, you started to trash Moldova and after getting a blow from me, you got pi*ssed off and started to trash Russia. Right? Now eat your own shi*t.


    At least our streets are not war zones! You are the biggest looser in the world. You lost almost all what you had for past 200 years.





    Lost, how you connect, or know my “logic”. But anyway there are no laws in Russia, which criminalize gays, but at the same time there are no laws, which defend them. Gay parades are not allowed. At least I am happy with this – they don’t behave so irritating, like in Western countries. Moldova outperformed Russia and the rest of the world in freedoms – their people didn’t want to have gays around, so they closed the city. What is you don’t understand?
     
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    We went first into space. We concentrated forces on other parts of space exploration. We have build a 1st in the world space station. Now, using our technology we have build with US a new one. While you couldn’t do even that! Nation of loosers! Kind of touching your English pride here, so, you are loosers in this field, nobody can’t beat that. Pitty on you. Tons of homeless freeze in New York too for example, when wether gets cold, in the most developed city. What about Detroit? We have nothing like that. UK had a half of the world and then lost all their territories. And keep loosing Londistan. And, yes, this is what all is truly scandalous!


    Never heard about it. Proves? Links?


    So many pages of fruitless writing doesn’t show that you don’t care. You are, but you keep loosing. You are just can’t challenge the break out of true freedoms, which now Moldovians can now enjoy! So, you just angry and trying to find way to put me down, suppress, etc. Yes, all these gay stuff supported by some kind of jerks and wierdoes. This is the way you are! Cowards.



    “I am the only person”. You repeated it probably 3-5 times using different words. Let me translate “I want you to think that you are the only person and give up”.
    There is a similar view from US professor from Boston Universtiy.
    “It's time to stop believing we can all live in harmony and try something different.”
    http://www.bu.edu/cas/magazine/spring11/seligman/
    Too bad to be in a loosing team, huh? You live in world of illusions.
     
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    I am pretty sure you can find even more horrible stories about what minority or 1 ruler have done. Like for example, these Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia 1917. Or Hitler. Or some kind of Kings in the past. There are plenty of stories.



    Why you so afraid of segregation? Exactly, seems like you are afraid. I think when we see bulling of gays, protests and all kind of issues and it still happens, despite of huge propaganda of tolerance, the segregation is the best option. I will be happy and you will be happy. I am upset about you, you about me. I go here, you go there and we never see each other. I think mutual understanding based on that is the best option.


    You know, if there would be similar place, like they would declare Contra Costa county “gay free”, then I would move there. Since there is no place that would guarantee me absence of gays and all what comes with it, there is no so much point for me to move. It can come there too and I don't want to live on the run.
     
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    BTW, protests, which you see are organized by the West and this jewish criminal Beresovski. And they are protests, not riots. A few number(200-300) of people come and peacefully conduct their activity. Moscow is not on fire for weeks, like it was in UK. So, we are much more civilized people then you.

    As you see, Russia did a great progress with Putin.
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    I know, West doesn't want to see Putin at the power, simply because he is a strong leader and trying to create impression like we are all upset about him. There is nothing wrong with Putin at all. He is great. I admire him!

    I know, there is something worse then in UK in Russia, yes, something needs fixing, but your future looks very gloomy, out future is bright. We are leaders in the space technology, we have gas, oil, lumber, minerals, ore, you have nothing like this. You are tiny country with a very low potential. And we are on the way up, from all the problems we had in the past.
     

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