Let's hear your conspiracy on covid

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  1. ToddWB

    ToddWB Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ha ha ...it is dangerous. Why do you not only fervently defend it, but fervently promote it, and not even concede it might be a little dangerous?
     
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    If you only frequent batshit sources, you'll get batshit. BIBO.
    Why do you fervently attack something you don't understand? Your actions are costing lives, mine the opposite!
    It IS a very, very little dangerous. No more than any other drug, injection or otherwise. You are tied in to a conspiracy theory where you "like" every post that confirms your opinions. At no stage have YOU even considered that YOU are being lied to by the antivax disinformation machine and the "little helpers" sprinkling around their crap.
     
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    VAERS. Two orders of magnitude higher. EUA.
     
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    Perspective is a very real thing. Like for instance, when very clever, highly specialized experts make statements and conclusions about things and it continues across multiple countries and institutions - it carries weight. The alternative is that either all these clever people are corrupt (large fat raspberry!) or mistaken (meh!).

    Conspiracy theorist are at heart, more dishonest than the people they implicate in their stupid conspiracies. That said:
    What VAERS Is (And Isn’t) | Johns Hopkins | Bloomberg School of Public Health
    "Since the emergence of COVID-19 vaccines, however, the database has garnered more dubious notoriety. Anti-vaccination fringe groups have attempted to spin false stories using VAERS data, adding to misinformation about the safety of COVID-19 vaccinations.

    VAERS is a publicly available, searchable database of reports that have not been verified. It simply contains whatever people have voluntarily reported. Moreover, the CDC and FDA do not restrict what people can report, as long as it happened at some point following a vaccination."

    "For example, by January 10, 2021, VAERS logged 1,266 reports of adverse events following the Moderna vaccine. The CDC and FDA flagged 108 of those cases for further review. Ultimately, 10 of those cases turned out to be anaphylaxis, a severe allergic reaction, with nine of the affected people having a history of allergic reactions or allergies—including five of those nine with a history of anaphylaxis specifically. "
     
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    Uhuh. And this moron is who exactly? Not even close to a minuscule amount of relevant experience.
    https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
    "He’s also publicly railed against what he claims is a campaign against drugs like fluvoxamine and ivermectin. And, according to three members of CETF’s scientific advisory board, he put pressure on them to promote fluvoxamine for clinical use without conclusive data that it worked for covid.

    More recently, he’s adopted extremist positions on covid vaccines, which he alleges are “toxic.” He has claimed that one in 1,000 people who have received mRNA vaccines have died as a result, and even claimed the vaccines “kill more people than they save” at an FDA public forum, which was first reported by the Daily Beast.

    As Kirsch has gone deeper into the anti-vaccine scene, many professional associates have increasingly distanced themselves from him. In May, all 12 members of CETF’s scientific advisory board resigned, citing his alarming dangerous claims and erratic behavior. Over the summer, the conflict reached his most recent startup, M10. Its board told him that if he wanted to remain part of the company he would have to stop making public anti-vaccine statements. In September, he resigned as CEO and gave up his board seat."


    AGAIN - why do you follow liars? Why do you automatically believe them?
     
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    VAERS is a “canary”. If the canary squawks you get out of the mine. The public health agencies should have halted vaccinations until the vaccine manufacturers resolved the issues. The VAERS system was put in place after vaccine manufacturers were relieved of liability. The VAERS investigation process was included to resolve vaccine injuries. This system failed spectacularly for the covid mRNA and DNA vaccines.
     
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    Why do you ignore the scientific method and freedom of speech?
     
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    Perspective again. Is it deceptive to suggest that the vaccines all over the planet only gained traction after the US issued its EUA? Yes, of course it is. Continuing to do this is dishonest, whilst ignoring that the US is only 5% of the world's population and EVERY other country had their own completely different mechanisms.

    That's conspiracy theorists for you.
     
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    So much for your evidence.
     
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    They're considered vaccines, whether or not you like it. I don't happen to think they're any longer "experimental," also whether or not you agree.
     
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    One hell of a conspiracy. It makes the Allies keeping their Ultra code breaking secret look like nothing.
     
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    No deception. The world looks to the US for guidance. The global health agencies follow the US public health agencies.
     
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    They don’t function as historical vaccines have done.

    Beta testing was done on the global population with disastrous results.
     
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    My conspiracy theory is pretty mundane. I think the Chinese were mucking around with bio weapons research, and the virus got loose.

    Simple as that.
     
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    You've touched on a very valid observation -- and it is true that increases in human population produce a graph known as a "J-curve".... Consider -- the human population has DOUBLED in just the last 50 years!

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    Agreed. Although the Chinese were illegally funded by the US to engage in gain of function research the Chinese Communist Party (and military) were aware and learning. Also notice that the Chinese Communist Party shutdown Wuhan but allowed infected Chinese people to fly around the world spreading the virus thus doing both individual and economic harm to the morons in charge of the western democracies.
     
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    But the corollary is that the environment gets cleaner as the standard of living increases. The other corollary is that as the standard of living birth rates decrease.
     
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    Yeah but the spreaders of batshit never bother with mundane details like that!

    It's like some of them think that the US is the actual world. The UK and Germany were first to vaccinate. No bullshit EUA there folks.

    Conspiracy theorists huh?
     
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    After the US EUA for Pfizer on 12/10/20.
     
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    It's a sad state of affairs that once down the conspiracy rabbit hole, deception becomes the norm. I mean seriously what world of batshittery does anyone think other countries wait for some arbitrary emergency status, before they instigate measures to protect their own citizens.

    Conspiracy throrists huh?
     
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    The two countries you mentioned began proliferation of the vaccines immediately after the US issued an emergency use authorization. Coincidence?
     
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    You'll have to argue with the likes of the Mayo Clinic.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/comparing-vaccines
    Many countries keep their own stats on vaccine reactions. Where's the "disastrous results" you're talking about?
     
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    We're using a lot of resources.
     

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