Let's put this myth to rest once and for all: The Republican Party is NOT the "pro-life" party.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It IS in the OP. Don't tell me you are again responding to a thread you haven't read.

    Anyway... it make nos difference. Now you know
     
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    Since of course it is about the human life in the womb the unborn baby you statement is fallacious on it's face.


    There are LOTS of people for abortion. You say you are against it tell me why you are against abortions we might find some common ground here.
     
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    Your OP makes vague references to the death penalty, gun control and child abuse. Nothing in sufficient detail that it could be considered part of the republican platform.
     
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    Apparently parents have no personal responsibility to provide for their children? Of course not, they're not even responsible for creating them in the first place? Don't want your kids, just kill them off.
     
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    And you have been explained what the expression "pro-life" means but you don't like that and I suggested we use the salient terms, pro-abortion and anti-abortion since the issue is ABORTION. You are now saying choice is a case by case after complaining life is case by case. Where is the logic in that?
     
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    They have an answer for that, the fetus is just a clump of cells, not a human life. You know, wisdom from the mouths of the same people who told us it's OK to kill black slaves because they aren't really human, they're just farm animals.
     
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    Not by the standard in the OP. If "pro-life" must mean all life then "pro-choice" must mean all choice. The Democrat Party isn't anarchist. They support many regulations and restrict a lot of choice.
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     
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    And yet you label yourself "pro-choice". There are plenty of cases in which people calling themselves "pro-life" are not in support of life too. Most are pro-death towards harmful bacteria. Many don't support the right of convicted felons to live. Many support killing others in self defence.

    Your demand that pro-life but not pro-choice must apply universally has no foundation.
     
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    Abortion infringes on the right to life of the unborn baby in the womb.
     
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    Ok, so you admit to your irrational double standard then.
     
  12. Cybred

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    Not me, I understand that different things are different.
     
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    Its very simple, if the woman doesn't want it inhabiting her body she has every right to have it removed even if this results in its death
     
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    This post shows a complete lack of understanding of the other side's viewpoint.

    How many died from covid? More or less than unborn killed by abortion over the years?

    Also, not taking covid vaccine and others dying due to it could be considered death by negligence, but killing by abortion is direct and intentional.

    Your argument only works if you fail to recognize that they see the unborn as people.
     
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    Hmm, how convenient. Anyone you don't want in your life you can kill.
     
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    And why can't anti-vax people use this same line of thinking? If they don't want the vaccine in their body, should they be forced to, if it puts the immunocompromised in danger?

    Anti-Vax and Pro-choice both involve bodily autonomy. So do the draft and prostitution. Rarely do we see consistency on people's views on bodily autonomy across all four issues.
     
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    Are they inhabiting someone's body?
     
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    If the vaccine does not prevent transmission then go ahead.
     
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    The same people who say it's OK to kill babies in the womb told us it's OK to kill black slaves in the fields. Same insanity from the same entitled people. There's a clear pattern here...whatever is inconvenient for Democrats they will justify killing.
     
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    Covid patients are people.
    Not being vaccinateed puts everyone's lives in danger.
    If everyone is vaccinated they will be LESS ill . Sometimes they won't be ill at all but they can still pass it on.
    Vaccination does not eradicate covvid. It reduces the death toll.
    There is no variation on the effects of abortion.
    The two are not comparable.
     
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    Again? How many times must it be explained to you that, in this country, the label "pro-choice" refers exclusively to the abortion issue.

    You should visit this country and ask a few people. Any moderately informed American you meet will tell you this.

    Of course! As a matter of fact, it's the Republican platform as described on the OP. You should start your reading there.

    Ok. I thought for a second there you wanted to be taken seriously. Never mind...
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     
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    Yes to all you write in this post other than the last sentence, but it does not address what I wrote and you quoted. It further displays your disregard or misunderstanding of the other side's viewpoint. I invite you to read and respond again.

    Some people see the unborn as people. People, just like the covid victims are people. Some of these "people" (as they see them) are killed by the negligence of people not taking vaccines. Others are killed directly by abortion. Which kills more and why can the bodily autonomy argument be used to defend one but not the other?

    One argument could be that forcing an unborn to be carried to term is more intrusive than taking a vaccine, even though both are intrustions on bodily autonomy.
     
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    And so does the label "Pro-life" in regard to this issue. Your odd demand otherwise notwithstanding.
     
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    AFAIAC I am astonished at this weighing of the worth of a human being one against the other.
    What kind of equivalency is that??
    I am correcting the oft declared reason for not taking the vaccine. ISTM many don't understand why you should and how it works.
    Since you will never know how many people would die if someone didn't take it, you are trying to play a fool's game.
    You are better than that.
     

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