Let's put this myth to rest once and for all: The Republican Party is NOT the "pro-life" party.

So you believe in abortion up until the moment of birth?

 

Sure it is. It’s the purview of everyone who believes abortions shouldn’t be allowed up until the moment of birth… which includes most liberals as well.

I’m not sure what week you think that “life” begins. It doesn’t really matter. If a woman who is pregnant and is past that week you deem the fetus to be “alive”, what should happen to her if she has an abortion after that time?

It’s murder is it not?

 

It doesn't happen. Without false premises, distortions and lies what would the right ever have?

No one is performing abortions up until the moment of birth. There is no such medical procedure

''Only 1.2 percent of abortions—about 12,000 a year– take place after 21 weeks. (The Supreme Court has held that states may not prohibit abortions “necessary to preserve the life or health” of the mother.)''

 

That’s simply false New Jersey was sued because they wouldn’t allow abortion up until the moment of birth for reasons other than the mothers health being at risk. And they lost in the State Supreme Court. So they changed their law to reflect that a woman can have an abortion up until the moment of birth for any reason whatsoever.

 

Oh and btw rape and incest account for less than 1% of the total abortions combined.

 

I have stayed away from the when life begins argument. That can be and has been taken to the extreme in both directions. It is the thought and possibility of pain that most bothers me.

 

What I believe about abortion is irrelevant to this thread. If you want to know what I believe, open a thread. This one is about the so-called "pro-life" Party... Which, I here demonstrate, the Republican Party is NOT.

 

Republicans can support whatever the hell they want. They just can't, truthfully, call themselves the "pro-life" party.

 

Yes! Your rights END where everybody else's begin. But not before.

And please do not quote my comments out of context.

Here is what followed: "They pose a risk to themselves (which I couldn't care less about), to others and to the economy and the country."

I see now why you kept making that accusation but refused to show a direct quote with a link: because the CONTEXT invalidated your narrative.

 

What about the fetus's rights? Didn't Alito address that in his draft opinion?

 

It's a pro-life site, so that is why they exaggerated support for their position, I suppose. Looking through it, there's nothing that really supports pain that early other than quoting one doctor who said it's an important component of pain perception. It's true that sensory neurons must fire to feel that something has caused physical pain, but actually experiencing pain happens in the conscious brain. I followed their links and they do indeed seem to be referring to reflexes there. Reflexes exist so that our body can respond more quickly than consciousness allows, e.g. touching a hot stove and withdrawing before you even realize it's hot. This is possible because there is a short loop of neurons from the sensory neuron, to the spinal cord, and then instead of going just to the brain it has a loop back to motor neurons to take action without thought. This short loop can be overridden, but it's automatic and predates consciousness or actual pain perception.

 

Obscene lack of understanding of what thou speak.

Golem: Who poses a risk to others , the economy , and country Progressives ? ding ding ding --- Agreed
But that don't mean I want to forced injections of anti psychotics for these people. Like you wish for certain groups you disagree with .. and on the basis of some fictitous fallacy of "Harm Reduction" -- no quantification of any kind - use the heavy hand of the state ... violate essential liberty .. bodily autonomy .. lift the restrictions to Gov't power.

So Authoritarian of you Golem .. why am I not even close to surprised ?

 

Abortion is available at any point of pregnancy and for any reason in Alaska, Colorado, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon and Vermont.

Anti-abortion group exaggerates how states regulate late-term abortions

But abortions later in pregnancy are rare, and are generally not being done "up until the moment before birth and for any reason."

These abortions are performed on a case-by-case basis when there are maternal or fetal complications, said Laurie Sobel, associate director of women’s health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation, an authority on heath care information.

"People cannot opt for an abortion instead of child birth when they are full term," she said.

Abortions rare after 21 weeks
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...bortion-group-exaggerates-how-states-regulat/

KEEP UP THE BS

 

Or fiscally responsible. Constitution following. In support of democracy. Honest.

 

He tried to say the 14th amendment adoption in 1868(?) states outlawed abortions. That was false

''A brief filed in the case by groups representing historians supportive of abortion rights said that in 1868 "nearly half of the states continued either not to prohibit abortion entirely or to impose lesser punishments for abortions prior to quickening."

 

Possibly. Nothing is for sure when it comes to the human body.

We can argue for years, but it will still come down to not knowing for sure.

One of my nieces had a five month premature baby at the five month point. Except for its size, you could not tell the difference between one born at nine months.

 

Republicans don't care about a fetus's rights any more then they care about the "right to live".

That's the myth I've been talking about. The mention of "right to life" be it by Alito or ANY other partisan Republican leader is an excuse. Alito couldn't care less about the life of the mother-child whose life is now in jeopardy because his decision didn't address the right to live of children who are raped

 

You are addressing a completely different topic that the poster attempted to make it appear as if it were this one by taking a sentence out of context.

I understand your mistake, though. That was the poster's intention: to deceive you.

 

Right. Or the party of law and order. Or the party of family values. There are literally hundreds of other things that, traditionally, they laid claim to, but they abandoned now that fascists took over control of their party.

 

Sorry, man - you're the myth-monger here, not me. Total, ignorant, arrogant horse manure.

 

This is a totally BS argument style.

Suggesting some extreme to be someone else's view is really just short of lying.

And, the argument has never been about aborting viable fetuses.

If you want to discuss the topic, you need to rethink you approach.

 

Define LIFE, and define BEING.

And please share with us one of your vegan recipes.

 

I could care less.

 

right .. so - you were against the Biden Gestapo Force Vaccination Mandate .. good .. thought I was deceived there for a moment .. glad you were against such violation of bodily autonomy by these Marxist Collectivist Tyrants .. "My Body My Choice" .. don't let the fallacious utilitarianism hit backside on way out door

 

The key word in that paragraph was "pain". Terrible excruciating pain by a baby, who is being torn apart.