Let's talk about Race

Well no. His thesis is that Jews are using Marxist egalitarianism as a weapon against Nords, who they hate for some historical reason. It's impossible to derive what you said from what he said. It sounds like the usual chutzpadic truth inversion and victim blaming.

This was also an interesting point.

"That said, it does little good to argue with the race deniers and race mixers. Their position will not be altered by refuting their falsehoods as their positions are not really based on them, but on the interests of their racial group. Still, it is worthwhile to remove their cover and expose their true motives. It is also worthwhile to expose the so-called idealism of multiracialists for what it really is: a program for Nordish destruction and extinction."

Basically saying race deniers will simply repeat known falsehoods since their position is based on an ethnic attack and not the truth.

 

Actually this from Mein Kampf characterises the race denialist style quite well.

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200601.txt

The more I debated with them the more familiar I became with their argumentative tactics. At the outset they counted upon the stupidity of their opponents, but when they got so entangled that they could not find a way out they played the trick of acting as innocent simpletons. Should they fail, in spite of their tricks of logic, they acted as if they could not understand the counter arguments and bolted away to another field of discussion. They would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these, then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature from the original theme. If you faced them with this point they would escape again, and you could not bring them to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these apostles one's hand grasped only jelly and slime which slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards. If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The Jew would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday's defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct. Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more--the abundance of their verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods. I gradually came to hate them.

 

Don't we do that for everybody? I've never heard of the US preventing someone from leaving. If the Nazis and white bigots want to go I'll pledge to a fund helping them leave

 

And who will you turn to when you're being ethnically cleansed by the Chinese?

 

Desperate? It's somewhat incidental the point at hand but I think characterises the debate style of race deniers quite well. You know, pretending not to have seen data presented to them and switching from fallacy to fallacy. What do you think?

 

this is a scientific discussion.

quoting Adolf Hitler is a silly attempt to provoke people, rather than debate the actual issues.

will you be quoting David Duke or Madison Grant next?

they were such distinguished geneticists.

 

The debate style of race deniers is certainly on the table. In fact it's really a key issue.

 

no, this discussion is about whether or not race exists as a scientificly recognized group.

the debate style of the participants is irrelevent, and when you start quoting Mein Kampf to attack your opponents, you have lost the debate.

 

In fact the OP is about political race dynamics, not the scientific concept. Since we've gone on to the scientific concept, and since my opponents do not debate with scientific decorum, I think the debate style of race deniers is relevant.

How can one debate science with an opponent who refuses to concede facts and demands the same facts over and over?

 

In fact all living things are descended from pond slime.

 

the interesting fact about race, is that every single gene that exists throughout the world, in Asians, Europeans, Indians, Amerindians, exist within black Africans.

proof that we all descend from Africans.

 

Not only is that factual garbage it could be evidence of late Eurasian migrations into Africa, if it was true, which it isn't.

 

no, its a fact: every gene that exists within Europeans, Asians, Indians, Amerindians, exist within the African population.

this phenomenon doesn't apply to any other continental population.

 

That's absolute garbage and betrays either a total ignorance of modern genetics, a character where shameless lies are not abhorred, or both.

 

That should be a debate ender for you right there, you know exactly who and what you're dealing with...not that any there was ever any doubt, nazis ideology is still with us today...

 

Like throwing a rock in a pond the waves of genetic diversity ripple outward from africa, the grestest genetic diversity is found within africa....africa is our origin...

 

Long and Kittles find that rather than 85% of human genetic diversity existing in all human populations, about 100% of human diversity exists in a single African population
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/human_biology/v075/75.4long.pdf

 

Is that a quote or did you write that?

 

What a wonderful debate tactic, simply call the other side a liar, and don't back it up at all.

Even better is to just stick you fingers in your ears and go lalalalala. Either one is typically conservative, though.

btw, 30 seconds on Googol got;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8027269.stm

You got something better to back you besides a load of snark? C'mon, I need a good laugh

 

Nazi adherents apparently know more about genetics than the geneticists...its the Dunning-Kruger effect...

 

I don't see the part where it says all alleles can be found in Africa, Ronstar's assertion.

 

direct quote

all the genetic evidence points to the human out-of-africa theory, especially because Africans are the most genetically diverse population on Earth and every human gene can be found in Africa.

you cannot say that for any other land mass.

 

You copy pasted it from Wikipedia and attributed it to an academic paper. LMAO.

 

world-wide genetic diversity can be found in Africa.

FACT.

deal with it