LGBT Issues, Children and Education by Progressive Patriot 2.12.14

I was making an exaggeration to make a point. Here is the line in the article I was referring to.

So basically the class in the study did not hit kids over the head (metaphorically speaking) with morality and it did not say that they had to wait unit they are married before having sex, just that they should wait until they could handle the responsibilities. But that is getting off track from the original question of whether abstinence is 100% effective. The answer is, in theory yes, in practice no as all these studies have shown.

I never said that the definition of marriage changed from male-female in the past. I merely was illustrating that the definition of marriage can change. Marriage is a cultural construct that reflects the culture around it. If our society decides that marriage is between any two adults regardless of sex, then that is what it will be.

 

Marriage is a religious construct. Civil laws only get involved for reason of taxing marriage, preventing birth defects (if any) and protecting children from sexual predators. Everything other civil reasons for marriage can be accomplished by a boilerplate contract between two or more people.

 

Nice try but here is the problem. This only compare children who were subjected to Abstinence only education to those who received no sex ed. The proper comparison is to compare them to those who have had comprehensive sex ed.

 

Abstinence works 100% of the time it is tried. Don't you agree?

 

Sure, if you can get teenagers to stop having sex, all the power to you. But I thought politics was the art of the possible.

 

If children are taught it is acceptable for them to have sex at 12,13 years old, then of course they will experiment before they are mentally and emotionally mature enough to be engaging in sexual intercourse. The schools should not be giving children permission to have sex, but teaching them to abstain would be an acceptable lesson.

 

I attended high school in the mid-late 1960s. We had over 3,000 students in the top three grade levels. There may have been one or two girls who we knew about who got pregnant, and it was a scandal. We probably knew about the few girls who "went all the way" since it was a bid deal and the boys would have all been boasting. (Some boasted without have 'done the deed', but we knew who was lying.) We had plumbing and biological functions in Health Class but no how to, and certainly no "Hey try this perversion."

What are the equivalent statistics today?

 

This is just another example of your dodging the issue because you no real response to the point that I made. Yea abstinence works 100 % when they engage in actual abstinence EDUCATION clearly does not work 100% of the time as demonstrated by your own source.

 

It works every time it is applied. OF course nothing works 100% when it's not followed. Scheesch!?! But teaching abstinence versus the joys of sex, will produce significantly different results.

 

So secular nations don't have marriages?

 

You seem to be operating under the assumption that educating kids about sex equals condoning it. It doesn't. Simply teaching them not to have it doesn't result in a mental or emotional maturity about the subject. It results in all sorts of misconceptions about not only what it is, but why you should (or should not) have it. This is why there is a clear and irrefutable correlation between abstinence-only education, and kids having sex at higher rates. In your attempt to shield kids from reality, you make them all the more eager to experiment.

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What does that mean? People get married for many reasons, some good, some bad. They get married in churches, court rooms, drive-thrus, restaurants, malls, wherever it is meaningful to them. What you mean to say is that marriage is a religious construct for you.

 

Welcome to the place where realty and rational thought go to die. You won't get anywhere with Mr. Natural.

 

We know we know. If you just tell yourself to never have sex with that guy you're attracted to, you aren't really a homosexual. REALLY YOURE NOT!!!!!!!

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The entire medical and psychological profession disagree with you.

Attraction is the qualifier. That's what scares you so badly.

 

If they want taxes they do. Otherwise it is a religious ceremony.

 

Why do heathens need to get married? Except for taxes paid to the gub'mint, why even get married except for religious reasons.

Sex education is the responsibility of the parents, not some stranger and certainly not the gub'mint's.

 

You just can't stay on topic can you? This is about children and education. Sex Education is the responsibility of all adults in a position of authority with children.
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Heathens? Do you even know what that word means? Do you know that heathens have a religion. It's just not your religion and quite frankly, it makes more sense to me than Christianity. But, now I'm getting off topic. You are just exuding so much hate and ignorance.

And, for most people marriage is not primarily or even at all religious. Is it possible that you don't know that ?

 

I got married because I wanted to make a binding commitment to my wife, that I would stay with her forever, and then declare it in front of all my closest friends and family. That's why I got married - why did you get married? Because God said you should?

 

ALL education is the responsibility of parents in the U.S.A.. A group of parents may cooperate and fund a local school and hire qualified instructors, but the responsibility remains with the parents.

Would you feel that the gub'mint is responsible if the schools are taken over by instructors teaching Islamic curriculum?

Marriage was instituted by God for procreation and rearing children. Why does gub'mint need to be involved at all in marriage, except to collect taxes?

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So you only can live with a woman and be true to her only if you got a piece of paper from the gub'mint? You wouldn't love her without the paperwork?

 

Is there, where?

Ah yes the old "gay gene" ideology, tell me why does it have to be a part of the genome for someone to be born homosexual?

You of course must be aware of the influence that hormones, or lack of, have on the formation of the brain, which happens AFTER physical gender is set, you do know for instance that ALL brains start out as feminine and change to masculine due to the influence of various hormones (particularly testosterone) during gestation?

That is merely opinion. You do know of course that the human mouth contains numerous bacteria that are harmful, tell me do you consider oral sex as "insanity" or how about the numerous men who engage in anal sex with their female partners (16 percent of women aged 18-24 said they'd tried anal sex. Now 20 percent of women aged 18-19 say they've done it, and by ages 20-24, the number is 40 percent. ) seems a whole lot of men (& women) are engaging in your "insanity", and do tell me do you stand against those heterosexuals who also engage in anal sex as virulently as you do against homosexuals?

Actually something I agree with you on, just as they should be targeting heterosexual audiences, warning them of the risks from engaging in vaginal sex as well .. but hey, if there were a decent comprehensive sex education in the US then they would already know.

 

Hmm, a religious site defining marriage .. now why don't you post the legal definition of marriage .. in fact I'll do it for you.

Blacks Law Dictionary 9th Edition



Whoops, seems my legal definition disagrees with your religious definition of marriage being between a man and woman, and as it is the law that defines how your country works I'd say your religious definition is irrelevant.

 

Black's 9th Edition was written after the 1950's which was the cut off for you to find a definition of marriage other than for male and female. Very shoddy attempt.

 

By far in comprehensive sex education abstinence is taught as the best way to avoid pregnancies and STD's .. however, comprehensive sex education also teaches the best way to protect oneself should you decide to engage in sexual relationships REGARDLESS of whether that is heterosexual sex or homosexual sex .. why would you want to deny your children this knowledge and place them at risk for no other reason than you personal feelings about sex?

Whether you think teens engaging in any type of sex is wrong or not is NOT going to stop them, to stick your head in the sand and deny them the knowledge that just may mean they don't get pregnant or contract an STD is failing them.

Here is a typical example of what REAL comprehensive sex education comprises of;

1. Teaches that sexuality is a natural, normal, healthy part of life
2. Teaches that abstinence from sexual intercourse is the most effective method of preventing unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV
3. Provides values-based education and offers students the opportunity to explore and define their individual values as well as the values of their families and communities
4. Includes a wide variety of sexuality related topics, such as human development, relationships, interpersonal skills, sexual expression, sexual health, and society and culture
5. Includes accurate, factual information on abortion, masturbation, and sexual orientation
6. Provides positive messages about sexuality and sexual expression, including the benefits of abstinence
7. Teaches that proper use of latex condoms, along with water-based lubricants, can greatly reduce, but not eliminate, the risk of unintended pregnancy and of infection with sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) including HIV
8. Teaches that consistent use of modern methods of contraception can greatly reduce a couple's risk for unintended pregnancy
9. Includes accurate medical information about STDs, including HIV; teaches that individuals can avoid STDs
10. Teaches that religious values can play an important role in an individual's decisions about sexual expression; offers students the opportunity to explore their own and their family's religious values
11. Teaches that a woman faced with an unintended pregnancy has options: carrying the pregnancy to term and raising the baby, or carrying the pregnancy to term and placing the baby for adoption, or ending the pregnancy with an abortion

As you can see there is a great deal of emphasis placed on abstinence, values and religious beliefs . .so why would any parent not want their children to be in full knowledge of these things, after all forewarned is forearmed.

 

It is not the responsibility of the gub'mint to teach my children anything. That is the responsibility of the parents.