Liberal Culture Created Trump, not Conservative Culture

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  1. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    https://theintercept.com/2016/03/28...ed-donald-trump-was-liberal-not-conservative/

    "Now that Donald Trump, the candidate, has become both widely popular and deeply loathsome, we’re seeing a cataract of editorials and commentary aimed at explaining how it happened and who’s to blame. The predictable suspects are trotted out: the Republican Party, which had been too opportunistic and fearful to stand up to its own candidate, Fox News, which inflamed the jingoes, and white working-class voters, unhinged by class envy and racial resentment.

    The predictable bewilderment and outrage are professed. But absent from all these ashen-faced accounts is any examination of the people who put Trump in a position to run for president in the first place. The man didn’t emerge, all at once and fully formed, from some hidden and benighted hollow in the American psyche. He’s been kicking around for 30 years or more, and he was promoted and schooled, made famous and made wealthy, by the same culture and economy that now reviles him, and finds his success so vexing.

    After all, it wasn’t some Klan newsletter that first brought Trump to our attention: It was Time and Esquire and Spy. The Westboro Baptist Church didn’t give him his own TV show: NBC did. And his boasts and lies weren’t posted on Breitbart, they were published by Random House. He was created by people who learned from Andy Warhol, not Jerry Falwell, who knew him from galas at the Met, not fundraisers at Karl Rove’s house, and his original audience was presented to him by Condé Nast, not Guns & Ammo. He owes his celebrity, his money, his arrogance, and his skill at drawing attention to those coastal cultural gatekeepers — presumably mostly liberal — who first elevated him out of general obscurity, making him famous and rewarding him (and, not at all incidentally, themselves) for his idiocies."


    I don't think Trump is as bad as a lot of people seem to believe, but it is funny how the mainstream media treats him as a conservative invention while ignoring who actually helped him gain notoriety.

    If people hate him, they should blame a lot of media elites.
     
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    they gave him a free ride up and he's giving himself a freefall down
     
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    Which explains why he's only rising in popularity, and the lefty media is covering him like its cool.

    He's owning the left.
     
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    lmao...its not the Democratic party that's falling apart because of Trump.

    He's ensuring that Democrats will take the White House.

    The RNC is running ads against their own candidate and trying to figure out how to remove him from their nomination.

    The RNC hates trump far more than the Liberals do...we WANT him to get nominated...lol.

    Nice try though.
     
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  6. Serfin' USA

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    Well, so far as I've seen, the media seems to be very vocally against Trump while mostly ignoring Cruz. While that does actually help Trump gain popularity among his base, it gives the impression that liberals would rather have Cruz win the nomination.

    For example, you don't see many activists rallying against Cruz or protesting at his rallies.
     
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    lolz at low energy milk and Yeb! missing!
     
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    I have a feeling that's because nobody actually took Cruz seriously, the same way that we did with Trump in 2012 and in the early stages of the 2016 campaign. If Cruz had more support, you'd probably see more people protesting him.
     
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    That's probably true to an extent, but I just find it funny. In terms of policy, Trump is actually less extreme than Cruz. Trump's rhetoric is more extreme, however.

    I think people pay too much attention to speeches and not enough to actual policy stances (or policy histories).
     
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    It's funny because those are GOP tears that he's eating.
     
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    Everyone knows that radical trump followers aren't going to change their allegiance no matter what trump does or says.

    That's not who the negative coverage is having an effect on.

    Just in the last 5 months, trump's unfavorability rating has gotten 13 points higher with general election voters.

    But don't trust my word on it...I'm a Liberal...I want trump to win because I know that whoever the Democrats nominate, my side will win. Do your own research...your candidate is freaking mess in a general election. There's a reason that the RNC is freaking out. They know with trump, they don't just lose...they lose HUGE and get humiliated by a stooge in the process.
     
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    My candidate is actually Gary Johnson, but you're correct that a lot of polls have suggested that Trump would lose to Hillary.

    I'm just hoping a Trump vs. Hillary match would lead to a record number of 3rd Party voters.
     
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    Maybe but unlikely.

    I'm a Sander's supporter but if its a trump and Hillary match-up, I'll definitely be supporting Hillary's campaign and voting for her to ensure trump loses by the widest margin possible.
     
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    How many times do you plan on using that same worn out meme?

    Get some new material.
     
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    If I didn't have a 3rd party to vote for and those 2 were running, I'd go for Trump. It's not that I particularly like him. I just really don't like Hillary. She represents more of the same, and in many ways, she's essentially a slightly more liberal Romney.
     
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    Like Ahab owned Moby Dick.
     
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    Now that I realise it bothers you so much, at least a few more times. :lol:

    - - - Updated - - -

    Like Jefferson owned slaves.
     
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    With a guy like Trump, personality is a bigger issue than usual. His bombastic and fickle personality means you can't really know what his policy stances truly are or will be in the future, and honestly, you can't be sure the guy isn't just going to go off his rocker at any given moment. Assuming he isn't already. I can easily picture him on stage having a Donald Duck-ish meltdown(and not because they share a first name).

    I would agree that Cruz is much worse when you consider straight policy stances.
     
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    *shrugs* We got through Dubya. I don't see Trump as any worse than him. A lot of the reason I don't worry about the prospect of a Trump presidency is that he at least offers something different from the usual. Bush to Obama wasn't much of a change in a lot of respects. Hillary would just be a combination of the 2.
     
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    Yes, but Trump taught himself how to peddle himself to the angry white man by carefully studying Fox, Breitbart, Rove, etc.
     
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    W was not in it strictly for his own glory. My dislike of George W Bush knows few bounds. But one of them is the understanding that he did not seek the Presidency for the purpose of his own veinglory and nothing else.

    Bush wanted to leave a legacy. The unending tragedy of his Presidency is the legacy that he wound up leaving, the consequences of a man who was really in way over his head most of the time.

    Trump is in it for what he, and he alone, can get out of it. He will be no more committed to being President of the United States, than Sarah Palin was to being Governor of Alaska.

    At least George W Bush had that much going for him.
     
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    My hope is that a Trump presidency would be one where he continuously argues with both parties. Gridlock is best for our government, because the more that it "accomplishes," the further we end up in debt and war.

    As the old saying goes, the government that governs least governs best.

    At this point, I think the same applies to state government.
     

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