Liberals have to walk the walk

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Google set up an AI advisory council and invited a well known conservative to the panel. Her inclusion was met with a petition and hateful online mob attacks.

    It's time for we liberals to clean up our own house. If we believe in diversity and inclusion it's not enough to sit out intolerance, we need to actively fight it when it happens in our own groups.

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  2. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    I agree that this opposition is unwarranted. The topic is AI and to exclude any participation for political reasons defeats the purpose IMO.

    There is no justification on technical grounds and this looks like it is a wasted learning opportunity to hear all sides in what should be a nonpolitical project.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Surely including for political reasons would do the same. On the face of it, she appears somewhat out of place among the technical and ethical experts selected and nothing in her background appears to offer any special knowledge or interest in the field. I certainly don’t support any personal attacks or harassment but there was a valid question to be asked, one for which no legitimate answer seems to have been forthcoming.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure I am following what you are saying. Could you please expand a little on what you mean?

    TYIA
     
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    obama made a speech in Germany where he wagged his finger at democrats. Now the lemmings are following their dear leader.
     
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    How's that look in the mirror? When the folks who are supposed to be "liberal" are so entirely intolerant of ANY contravening view, you have to be self aware enough to come to the conclusion that .... wait for it........ you aren't actually liberal. In fact, what so many who claim they are liberal are actually.... wait for it..... fascist. There are, actually many appropriate labels, but this one is the one we should worry about. These are the folks who eventually start burning books with "dangerous" ideas in them to justify the "purity" of their "supreme vision" they have in store for the rest of us.

    Most really smart folks all generally agree on this. AI is a very dangerous thing. The hive minded Googlies seem to be demonstrating exactly this.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As you said, the objections to her inclusion seem to boil down to being because she is conservative but in her own statement she says she wanted to take part as a conservative. If we agree it is wrong to bring politics in to her exclusion, it should be seen as equally wrong for her to bring politics in to her contribution. She shouldn’t be excluded because of her politics but she shouldn’t have been included because of her politics in the first place. The nature and extent of the objections is the only (not insignificant) issue here IMO.
     
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    Gotcha!

    Thank you for that clarification and yes, I missed that point. Mea culpa!

    We are in agreement here.

    There might be something else that I am missing and since the link is behind a firewall I am unable to research it for myself. It is possible that this aspect of the AI project is intended to deal with politics. If that is the case then it would make sense to include all sides of the political spectrum. However given the objections that does not seem to be the case.
     
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    I think the bottom line for the left is that we need to include good ideas .... ideas that don't seek to give the rich an edge at the cost of the rest of us. And when Republicans/conservatives/the right does that, I'll include them. Good luck with that.
     
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    We have a Constitution and supreme law of the land which was Ordained and Established for us; it contains our secular and temporal morals for modern times.
     
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    Alternatively, you could drop all the petty party politics and left/right bigoted hatred and just focus on whoever has the expertise and experience to openly address the technical and ethical questions in front of them.
     
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    It's unclear why someone with an announced political bias would be included, or wish to be included, in a technical forum. Please explain.

    Then there was the unwarranted reaction by Google employees. Google is a business not a debating stage. The whole thing seems inappropriate. IMO
     
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    Why is the burden to "be good" on those who want progress, improvements, and problem-solving and not on those who do their best to get in the way, de-fund services, interfere in equality, and reward those who need no reward?
     
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    The burden to be good is on everyone. We’re all basically the same flawed human beings.
     
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    I notice that the right puts out a call for "can't just get along?" when they're about to be handed their butt.
     
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    Agree.
     
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    Riiiiiiiiiight. Heritage Foundation.
     

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