Liberals, not Conservatives represent "The Establishment"

It always cracks me up that the left claims Republicans represent "the evil establishment" and they are just fighting the good populist fight against it.

Lets take a look for a moment at "The Establishment" and who makes it up.

Who teaches our kids and through unions owns virtually every public school? Liberals

Who owns the college system outright and has completely crushed conservative views out of the secondary school system? Liberals

Who are the vast majority that dominate our local, state and federal bureaucratic institutions of Governance? Liberals

Who make up the vast majority of reporters and other news outlets that give us our nightly news? Liberals

Who currently occupies 2/3rds of Legislative and Executive apparatus at the Federal level? Liberals

So how can anyone in their right mind, knowing these incontrovertible facts, claim that Republicans are "the establishment".

It seems to me that Republicans are the ones fighting against "the establishment", a liberal one that is trying to exterminate our traditional worldview and replace it with a decidedly foreign one that did not originate in this nation, but in the decadent and rapidly collapsing culture of European Social Democracy that developed when the Iron Curtain collapsed and released all of those communist swine into the general political population.

 

Republicans and Democrats are both controlled from the top by the Council on Foreign Relations. Both are pro-establishment for that reason because they are working towards building a one world government.

Agreed.

Wrong. It's very close to 50/50, and was extremely Republican 5 years ago.

If you completely ignore Fox News and all the pro-Republican talk-radio and newspapers.

5 years ago Republicans controlled all 3 branches of government and the country got worse under them. In fact the housing bubble blew up on their watches!

Becuase they're not "incontrovertibile facts".

They're both pro-establishment. Both won't tocuh the establishment like the Fed, the UN, the IMF/World Bank, the military industrial complex, etc. You have been deceived by right wing propaganda!

 

You just want to believe that because it will make you feel cool.

So in other words, according to you, liberals are against the establishment. Establishment = your traditional world view. You are pro-establishment, attempting to protect and preserve your world view, and force others to comply with your world view to the greatest degree possible.

 

LMAO

This is patently false. "My traditional worldview", was completely upended in the 60's if not before then and ever since then hasn't controlled anything but instead has been fighting a defense battle against "The New Left" and its domineering control.

Your worldview has been "The Establishment" for over 40-50 years now.

 

You are correct here, he is wrong if he thinks republicans are not part of the establishment. At the same time he is right about Democrats being part of the establishment.

You are completely wrong, the establishment is not someones opinion or a traditional world view, the establishment is something that exists, it is the current power structure in the United States which is the two parties that control our government as well as their protected big banks and big business that help them stay in power. People who vote both Republican and Democrat are almost always voting to force their world view onto others as that is what a strong centralized government does no matter who is in power.

As for liberal being against the establishment that was true back during revolutionary times when liberal meant something completely different then it does now. True conservatives of today (not Repubs who claim they are but back the establishment) want to push the government more toward what our founding fathers gave us before the Federal government became a behemoth protecting a wealthy elite political and business class. So essentially real conservatives are essentially liberal as defined in 1776. When government was tiny so people could actually have something more toward real liberty.

 

Funny, still looks like rich people in suits and ties run everything to me.

My world view is not represented in politics. My world view is represented in Star Trek. And, to some extent, in Action Comics.

You want to protect the wealthy, the powerful, the elite. You want those in power to remain in power. You see this as traditional, as truly American. Is this not so?

 

I would agree if he had said anything about democrats. But he was talking about liberals, and democrats are currently the conservative party, by any rational measure.

Liberal still means the same thing it always did. The term has been demonized by the establishment because they're terrified of another revolution.

 

Can you support any of theses claims with data, facts, or research?

 

It's not one or the other, but both. Not the ideologies though, the parties that represent them.

"The Establishment" is anyone interested in maintaining the status quo, which is a huge number of people on both sides of the aisle. The fact that you'd attempt to paint either group as the only one recognizable as the establishment shows exactly how diluted you are in your own ideology and or party affiliation. Take off the blinders, look both ways, corruption is everywhere and neither group is innocent.

 

That may be true, but only one group has complete and total control.

The Private sector does not dominate the Public Sector. That is a myth. CEO's and corporations do not control the bureaucratic levers of power.. Unionized Liberals do.

The Private Sector is virtuous because they get rich by giving us products we gladly pay for.

The Public Sector is evil, because they get rich by enacting tyrannical taxation and funneling the money through Unions into their pockets.

 

And who represents my mojo? left or right testicle?

 

Since SiliconMagician has indicated his worldview is the topic, I'm glad to participate in that discussion. Here's a nice illustration of the worldview which we're dealing with here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ty-supporter-murders-ark-democrats-cat-9.html

"Consider the cat reprisal for the evils we suffer from your liberal owned media every day." --- SiliconMagician

 

Only partisan hack think it's one or the other. It's both sides.

 

You mean like my testicles as I mentioned above?

 

And yet, both parties manage to get elected, so this point is ... well, pointless.

Corporate entities, PAC's and labor unions are all the top three contributors to politicians. All three manipulate politicians, your characterization is highly skewed.

It's neither virtuous, nor evil. It's apersonal, it's objective is to make money and providing a service or product accomplishes that goal, I'm not sure why people want to assign human emotion to non-human entities.

See above, it's exists for public good provision. It's incapable of evil, except as it reflects the will of voters in a democracy.

 

That is just so imaginary. Rich people control everything. You can't deny this.

They aren't virtuous, they don't give us anything and we don't pay gladly.

They aren't evil, taxes aren't tyrannical and unions are the only hope for the working class.

 

As you type away from the computer, that's on your desk that's in your house? Yea, private sector provides nothing worthwhile...

/s

 

Politicians represent the establishment, whether they be on the Right, Left, Up, or Down.

 

He said give. I certainly wasn't given this computer.*

*Wait. Actually, I was ... it was a present from my girlfriend ... but it wasn't given to her.

 

I see. .. Well I didn't realize we were dwelling on minutia.

I misunderstood what you were getting at.


...though in hindsight, many do give away wi-fi, that's not nothing =P

 

In the question of moral virtue, I think it's an important point, whether or not these private companies are giving us computers or whether they're selling us computers at a profit.

 

Indeed, producing the desirable result. A mutually beneficial exchange. Entities don't have morals, much less morality, trying to assign human values to economic entities is a fruitless endeavour.

 

Democrats are not conservative by any measure. They are openly the party of larger government while Republicans pretend to be the party of smaller government.

Liberal does not even mean close to what it did back in 1776. The vast majoriy of liberals support strong centralized government with large safety nets for the the populace as well as progressive income taxes. That is not even close to the old definition of liberal or even close to enjoying liberty.

 

we don't have an establishment the nation was founded by wealthy libertarian capitalist and religious quaker men, our entitlements and welfare spending along with social freedoms are new to the country and not established

 

You would rather go to a system which allows small minded individuals control what is true? It would be OK for children to be taught much different ideologies who live within the same country? Its a good idea for us all to hate one another---In the name of freedom?