Libyan Rebels Round Up Blacks, Put Them In Prison Camps

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    Libyan Rebels Round Up Blacks, Put Them In Prison Camps

    Massacre, torture and abuse of innocents destroys NATO’s “humanitarian” legitimacy

    NATO-backed Libyan rebels are rounding up thousands of innocent black migrants and taking them to prison camps as part of mass reprisals that include reports of indiscriminate killings, mistreatment and torture, as the “humanitarian” veneer of the west’s military intervention quickly crumbles.

    Migrant blacks and sub-Saharan Africans comprise one third of the entire Libyan population, and a minority were hired by Gaddafi as mercenary fighters, but rebels are treating them all as enemy combatants, with reports of abuse, murders and mass arrests increasing in volume.

    “Rebel forces and armed civilians are rounding up thousands of black Libyans and migrants from sub-Sahara Africa, accusing them of fighting for ousted strongman Moammar Gadhafi and holding them in makeshift jails across the capital,” reports the Associated Press.

    The AP story notes that virtually all of the victims are innocent migrant workers and have not fought for Gaddafi, but rebels are still rounding them up and interning them in sports stadiums and other prison camps simply on the basis of their skin color.

    At least 5,000 men have been detained, but human rights groups put the figure far higher.

    However, the abuse goes way beyond mass roundups. African Union chairman Jean Ping told the Washington Post there was clear evidence of reprisal murders. “They are killing people, normal workers, mistreating them,” he stated. The story also relates how 500 Darfuris are “ are desperately trying to get out of Libya…. they very much fear for their lives because of the color of their skin,” according to Richard Sollom, deputy director of Physicians for Human Rights.

    Amnesty International investigators have also witnessed abuses at the Central Tripoli Hospital, “including men being dragged from hospital beds and detained,” while also witnessing unidentified dead bodies of black men being transported to the morgue.

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    Comment: Good thing Obama doesn't start wars like Bush? oppsie, Obama starts wars for the United Nations.
     
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    As if Prison Planet had any journalists on the ground in Libya.
     
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    There are possibly hundreds of independent journalists in Libya, corporate media show half of the story, many independent journalists show the other half.

    Corporate media receiving corporate incentives to push the coverage they show, independent journalists covering the truth for the sake of truth and to start their own professional careers. I know who I'd rather trust. Just because corporate media has the wealth, funding and power to push its version of events to the general public, to which many religiously watch and believe is the whole unbiased truth then try to refute counter truths as conspiracy theory's because they can't believe that Government endorsed media in their lovely "free" and wholly "democratic" society can ever be only pushing half truths and bias in a stealth propaganda campaign.
     
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    False claims, exaggerations and propaganda abound on both sides... That's the nature of war.
     
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    So is death, massacres, rapes, and mass graves.. yep, the nature of war...
     
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    That's true. There's also the middle ground.

    However since your opinions only seem to comply with the general garbage presented by corporate media, why should your opinions be held in higher esteem, even when you clearly tow the corporate line?
     
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    Unfortunately... they are..

    The Libyan rebels are NOT a disciplined army.. they are civilians.
     
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    Were you under the impression that Khadafi was ever anything except a delusional, defiant and ruthless dictator?
     
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    Not forgetting

    Veteran Al-Qaeda terrorists, foreign special forces, Gaddafi army defectors, foreign mercenaries, Tunisian revolutionaries, Egyptian revolutionaries, rival Libyan tribes, Poor ethnic minorities.
     
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    Maybe he was, Africa is awash with them. You don't see our nations bombing their countries in the name of Humanitarian aims, then rushing to secure the countries resources and reconstruction contracts. Libya is being used by the failing western economies as a financial band aid, but it won't help much, and it's sad that you don't see this, and continue to tow the corporate line.

    Lots of people are going to die in civil wars, they did in the U.S, as they did in Britain as they did in France and now the Middle East, it doesn't give our governments the right to squander the future of it's own people further by further putting the future of our nation in a position of further significant debt, one which hits the poorest first, the poorest the hardest, the majority of the nations people, which is completely out of their direct control and responsibility, it is NOT how the citizens of that nation deserve to be treated, especially when they have significant personal debt, poor wages, poor social mobility, poor services, poor prospects. All because our government wants to bloody its hands in external affairs which have nothing to do with us, brainwashing the public through corporate media to subdue dissent or those who'd question the morality and principles being displayed by the elected politicians of our nation. It's clearly been working, we've had Tony Blairs Iraq, and Afghanistan, now Camerons Libya, these are the two major political parties in the UK and they both conduct illegal wars, they keep getting voted in because the corporate machine is WORKING, but western capitalism is FAILING, and I can't wait for it to collapse, and to live in a country refreshed with new hope.

    I'd love a there to come a day where issues were solved by peace and not war, but it should be left to the peoples of such nations to decide their destinies.
     
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    Oh BS.. The international business community has had hundreds of lucrative business contracts in place since 2004.

    Those will be honored by the new government.. They are essential to the income of Libya ..

    Nobody is stealing their oil....

    The issue here is that the people were sick of Khadafi and inspired by Tunisia.
     
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    You can't rebuild a country without destroying it first. We should have learned from Iraq but the peoples of our nations aren't learning any time fast, it's not entirely their fault, when you're born into a nation where it's the norm to be fed corporate bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and to be bred into believing that it's the truth ect, then you're already at a disposition in seeing the truth of events that our countries are involved in. Most people are hard working intelligent people, but they don't have the time or luxury to question government and corporate motives whilst they're either, struggling to pay the rent and bills or on the other end of the spectrum, too busy playing golf, spending hundreds every night on lavish meals and then speeding down the motorways in their flash sports cars to be able to focus on such aspects of our lives.

    France is going to make possibly billions from construction contracts in Libya, it's not just about the Oil, it's about rebuilding, weapons contracts, it's about influence, it's about compliance, it's about Gaddafi's gold, and his assets and accumulated wealth, which would help the failing western capitalist economies at the moment, to help stall chinas growth into the top spot, but it's a forlorn attempt at trying to change the fate of the western capitalist empire, and it's being paid for with thousands of lives, taken by our so called hero's in the armed forces.

    I'm sorry I thought hero's were supposed to save lives not take them.
     
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    The destruction in Libya was a result of the fighting.. NOT an objective.

    I suppose you don't recall the weeks of NATO asking Khadafi to step down or listen to the complaints of the people and support cautious reform.



     
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    So NATO can order any country in the world to step down OR get bombed?
     
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    So NATO can order any country in the world to step down OR get bombed? Clearly an imperialist agenda if so.

    NATO will act on U.N resolutions then go beyond it's remit, going outside of the resolutions granted by the U.N, which is basically an example of going above the law. Since this has become the case so often with countries acting on U.N resolutions and such, alliances like NATO will do nothing to strengthen U.N's legitimacy, and in-fact weakens it.

    Gaddafi called for a ceasefire more than once, he claimed to support elections and the likes, and some reforms but his proposals were flatly rejected by the war mongers in the NTC and NATO. Whether he was being sincere or not shouldn't have been the main reaction to such proposals as it was portrayed by corporate media, but to test his words and if he fails to deliver on his words then enforce further restrictions on his regime, but even then I'm not supporting such action because we shouldn't be involved at all.

    After Gaddafis proposals the BBC eagerly reported that despite Gaddafis call for a ceasefire there was still fighting and still blood being spilled, this was the BBC's spin on the situation anyway, and that Gaddafis call for a ceasefire is hollow and that his forces were continuing to attack the Rebels, all the while there were claims the Rebels were making advances against Gaddafis forces. Jeez, so hey there's a group of gun toting rebels coming down the road and you're a regime soldier do you, A, surrender and risk being executed by extreme islamic terrorists or do you uphold the laws of the regime that's served you for the past 40 years which you've grown up in.
     
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    The people were in open rebellion .. and Khadafi's forces were killing them...

    Are you under some impression that Khadafi was sane?

    He called for a "ceasefire".. Khadafi had a LONG LONG history as a notorious liar..

    He would say ANYTHING.. Look at the Bulgarian nurse mess.
     
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    Sorry to disappoint you dear, but our nations and politicians have a history of deception themselves. When one of position whom assumes the role of judge, then commits the crimes of those he judges, he should be a judge no more.
     
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    I don't know how old you are, but Khadafi has been nuts since 1969..

    You have some compulsions to make Khadafi into a good guy without knowing his history. Why is that?

    Have you ever heard of Abdullah Tariki? Do you know who he was and what he stood for?

    Do you know the humiliation that Khadafi suffered because he was so bloody arrogant and stupid and the revenge he sought because of his poor judgment and delusions?

    I don't think you know anything about Libya or Khadafi.
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    Not too long ago, I might have argued against posts like this, but the more I learn, the more I must agree.
     
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    You keep on telling me how bad people can be and how bad they've been. I already know what humans are capable of. I admit I'm not expert in any situation nor have I all the knowledge nor know all the facts down to a T.

    Yet I'm aware of mis-information being spread into western societies to it's own people, it's source usually rich people just trying to get richer, while the poor, the people who actually run the country, but not rule it, suffer ever more.

    I'm aware that what's being said through corporate media paints a picture in peoples minds that they actually know what's happening in the situations the corporate media report on, the corporate media like the BBC for instance use the fact that they are the original British channel media providers in the UK to legitimise themselves as reporting in a responsible unbiased free thinking manner, when really like most capitalist institutions their main priority is funding and not the truth.

    Therefore the people who'd lose the most if say the BBC wasn't being watched any more are the bosses in the BBC, those being paid huge amounts every year and the like, therefore knowing this they enact policies which further push the bias of anyone willing to fund such channels. Whom are usually the American and British government in the UK.

    I mean for instance, in the UK, the BBC forces anyone with a computer connected to the internet or TV to pay a TV licence fee, annually. Do you really think people would pay this, if it was not considered breaking the law to not do so? Who makes the laws again?
     
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    Oh balderdash.. You don't know squat about Khadafi.
     
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    I know what I see, I then measure with my own values, principles and opinions the information I've witnessed to decide whether I should believe it or not. I'm past believing everything I see, you clearly aren't.
     
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    Are you in Libya? What do you SEE?

    I asked you some specific questions which you ducked.
     
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    The videos below show clear evidence of blacks, the majority of whom are innocent migrant workers and not Gaddafi loyalists, being mistreated, attacked and killed by Libyan rebels. One particularly disturbing clip shows a black man hung for public display.
     
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    And just how universal is the video clip?

    You have some compulsion to defend Khadafi???
     

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