Lie of the Decade?

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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. opened his speech on Feb 23rd, 2022 with these words:

    "The prayers of the entire world are with the people of Ukraine tonight as they suffer an unprovoked and unjustified attack by Russian military forces. "


    (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...unprovoked-and-unjustified-attack-on-ukraine/)


    My questions are whether Joe Biden knew the statement he made was a lie, whether the speech will work out as he claimed it would, what the motivation was for the lie (if it was a lie), and how best to end the human suffering in the region.

    And on our part - why so many believed it.

    And the best and worst-case scenarios for how it will work out, for us, Ukrainians, and the rest of the world that will be affected by it.

    And what can we do now?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [Congressional Record Volume 168, Number 27 (Thursday, February 10, 2022)]
    [Senate] [Pages S632-S636]
    From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]

    ...
    It is good to know some history.
    When Ukraine became independent after the Soviet Union collapsed in
    1991, Russian leaders made clear their concerns about the prospect of
    former Soviet states becoming part of NATO and positioning hostile
    military forces along Russia's border. U.S. officials recognized these
    concerns as legitimate at the time. One of those officials was William
    Perry, who served as Defense Secretary under President Bill Clinton. In
    a 2017 interview, Perry said:

    In the last few years, most of the blame can be pointed at
    the actions that Putin has taken. But in the early years I
    have to say that the United States deserves much of the
    blame.

    Further:

    Our first action that really set us off in a bad direction
    was when NATO started to expand, bringing in eastern European
    nations, some of them bordering Russia.

    That is former Secretary of State William Perry.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because Joseph Biden Jr. was in charge of the Ukraine portfolio under Pres. Obama, he must have been aware of the perceived, if not actual, provocation and therefore the claim 'unprovoked' is one he should not have used.

    In addition in November 2021 in a phone call to Zelenskyiii he offered support to Zelenskyiii if he stood up to Pres. Putin's clear warning, that Biden would support Z against Russia and in his application to join NATO.

    A key part of the opening line of his Feb 23rd, 2022 speech was the word 'unprovoked' and I would suggest that was at the very least, an exaggeration.
     
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    We can do the opposite of what Biden wants to do.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it is very difficult whatever a person's opinions to believe that having equally balanced forces in a war will mean anything other than a long destructive war.

    Negotiations have always been the best for every side in a confrontation...

    but never for the 'defense industry' (weapons makers).
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That has me completely stumped - how can we stop Biden?

    And why is he so foolish?

    "The moral thing I should wish to say to them is very simple: I should say, love is wise, hatred is foolish." - Bertrand Russell - interview with the BBC in 1959
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its the truth. Pro-Russkie folks try to to justify the murdering, but the statement is true

    Stop helping Ukraine? I hope that does not stop. Europe, especially UK, is getting used to the idea that they might have to fight and destroy Russian military soon.
     
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    Lol...no, that would be trump's seditious lie about his election loss, which led to the first attempted coup in the history of the US by a failed politician.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No wonder you're stumped. The question you should be asking is- how can we stop putin?
    Don't let partisan hatred blind you to the morality of the situation.
     
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    On December 31, 2029 when we are making a top 10 list of the lies of the decade, the will all be from 2020 and 2021 and will all have been told by Donald Trump.
     
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    Don't want you claiming I'm arguing strawman, so I'm asking you to clarify your position.

    You two are saying that Ukraine provoked an attack by Putin and that Putin justly attacked Ukraine?

    If I'm wrong, please clarify your position.
     
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    No. Ukraine had nothing to do with the invasion. It is all on Russia.
     
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    It was meant as humor. It is a comment that Biden does everything wrong. Sorry, I know there is no room for humor in politics.
     
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    Who cares about Ruzzian interests?
    Ruzzia is a terrorist state! :(
     
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    Oh great, another russian troll.
     

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