Life is suffering. Death is the end of Suffering.

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    If I am in my right mind, don't want to either be in pain or constantly drugged, have no mobility, perhaps cannot move and need someone else to wipe my arse or feed me -- why can't I opt for the same sort of death as we give a terminal family pet. When my 100 pound dog's hip went out from old age a few years ago , and I found her trying to get up out in the yard in 100% sun and close to heatstroke, I was able to put her on a blanket and carry her inside. Then I had a vet come to the house and who gave her two shots. The first was an anti-anxiety medication. Friends and family gathered. A second shot and she was instantly unconcious and 2 or 3 seconds later dead. Why can't I have the same dignity. The fact that I don't is one of the reasons I depise religions.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I take it you’ve never seen a major arterial bleed. I have. One can bleed out quickly.

    I was commenting on Mr. Willreadmore’s post: “As you and others point out, there is a lot more work and thought to be given to suicide in general. For example, the suicide rate of young school age girls is horrendous.” that was the “swivel” and then you chimed in.

    Things seem to be going off the rails. Suicide permits? Most everyone goes through immature impulsive stages in their life and can face acute stressors. Identifying them would be impossible unless they verbalized intent. What suggestion am I openly opposing? People can be helped against their wishes. Actively suicidal patients can be admitted against their will and get intensive therapy. Who would approve of a suicide if it was not an end of life act?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    You seem to be suffering from all three things I suggested could be addressed and alleviated. But if you don't want to try any of that, bye bye.
    Yes, our last dog was very ill and the vet came to the house and euthanized her in the living room. I've never cried more.
     
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    My Mom became a member of the right to die movement before her death so i guess i'm guessing she learned the sodium nitrate method.

    In the end I was at peace with her decision she was in so much pain she couldn't sleep she was in so much pain, she had tremors those things were as concerning to me as her death or as more concerning to me as her death. I just came to the conclusion that death was the end of suffering and i was at peace with her decision.

    I was a little offended with the police treating her as if she were a child after she attempted suicide by slitting her wrists.

    I mean do we have bodily autonomy
    or are we owned by the state.
     
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    Actually in pretty good health more or less. But one has to consider the enevitable. My wife has done volunteer work at a hospice and also at a nursing home. From what she says, the hospice experience is about as positive as it could be considering. People in nursing homes are more or less abandoned by family, often for years and more or less in a state of paralysis.
     
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    I look forward to death.

    Death is the end of suffering
     
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    Except, you apparently forget, government has already pre-evaluated all suicides, as illegal (and implicitly wrong) acts.
     
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    You don't really expect dogs to be treated like people, do you?

    If it is dignity and respect you desire, rely on yourself, as man's inhumanity to his fellow man seems to be carved into institutional stone.
     
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    You might wish to consider becoming "non-attached" as a less extreme method to end suffering.
     
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    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    one less person to fill their beds to pay for their per profit prisons to pay their
    shareholders
    I see
     
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    I ad dreams about all this















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    true it's all about makig that money
     
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    One can reply on themselves so to speak, and many do. The methods available tend to be pretty uncomfortable for family members.
     
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    I would have assumed that to be the case. You are here replying to my response, to your apparent contesting of what I'd depicted, as an error in technique, of many who slit their wrists, horizontally. I'd said it would be much more effective, if they sliced open the blood vessel vertically, back from the wrist. You then seemed to be claiming that one artery would be insufficient, would "not get the job done."

    edna kawabata said: ↑
    Nearly half of suicides are on impulse, especially among the young. Females tend to overdose or cut themselves which allows time for second thoughts. Males tend to hang or shoot themselves leaving no time for second thoughts.
    Also, to bleed out efficiently you need to cut your radial and ulnar arteries. Cutting your arm lengthwise does not get the job done.


    Now, though, you are acting like I don't realize how fast a person can bleed out??
    You're a real pip, is all I can say...A self-contradicting, pip.


    Yes, "suicide permits," was essentially what *Mr. Willreadmore, with whom you'd conversed, has been describing, in his own focus on the recently-passed suicide law, in Oregon. Like him, you seem to have come into this thread, with your own agenda of issues and ideas to debate, regardless of how well, or poorly, they fit in with the actual argument, as defined in the OP. And every time I try to cater to what is ostensibly an objection you are making, you then turn around to attack that perspective, which had been based on your own, previous feedback.

    I do not find you to be making clear arguments, at least as relate to either the thread, or my own comments, you address. But I will wholely agree with you, on at least your statement that this attempted discussion has gone off the rails. I suggest, at this point, we cut our losses.
     
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    Well, I think one of the things society should have, at the very least, if there is a medically assisted suicide, is a requirement for several witnesses -- and I mean independent witnesses, not people who just happen to work in the same hospital or care facility -- to verify that the person actually wanted to die, and to be able to interview them to ask if the person was being pressured to make that decision in any way.
     
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    This is why the most important job we all have is to seriously deal with the questions of life and death.
     
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    No, it's all about seeing the truth of the matter. Suffering is caused by our minds refusing to let go.
     
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    I think an overdose of Opiates would be a good way to die.

    There would be no existential crisis. You would just take them with the expectation of feeling good and you would just simply not wake up
     
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    Your conflating end of life suicide, which is a more rational choice, with suicide in general, which is a less than rational choice, and then referring to “suicide permits” was probably, in your mind, had some logic behind it. We had stopped referring to the subject of end of life suicide two posts back and talking about suicide in general. Who knew you were calling Oregon’s right to die law "suicide permits" which is a separate issue.
     
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    Yes, fentanyl overdoses are all the rage, but depression need not be a terminal disease.
     
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    I'm not sure what your point is here.

    My comments have been about the right to die in our law.

    I agree that the rate of suicide in young girls is a national catastrophe.

    The fact that we ignore it is an indictment of our society.
     
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    If you were to die today imagine how much suffering you would avoid in the future?
     
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    My point was I found it interesting and I am sorry you didn't.
     
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    Numerous experiencers of NDEs (near death experience) learned on the 'other side' that life on earth is considered the most difficult & challenging place to incarnate. I can believe it.
     

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