lincoln the movie

Lincoln was a moderate- trying to thread the thin line between the Conservative Slave Owners(maintaining the status quo is what Conservative means) and the radical Abolitionists.

Who knows where his politics would be today?

However, regardless- he is the greatest Republican President.

 

Once again, you show how little you have read about him.

EVEYONE was a bigot back then BY TODAY'S standards.

Just the suggestion of abolition made you a hippy in that day and age.

You lack perspective because you haven't read enough history to know what you're talking about

 

Proves my point exactly.

He felt for them like we feel for abused dogs, or hunted dolphins in japan.

He calls them creatures. We should end this discussion by you going to compton, call all the blacks you see creatures, get shot andlearn the lesson of how wrong you are the hard way.

Or just accept defeat.

 

Lincoln:

You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it. ... I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border.

 

According to Lincoln's own journals, via Eric Foner, author of The Fiery Trial, his views evolved over time. As a young lawyer, he thought of slaves as a business commodity. Over time, and experiences, he came to actually view the concept of "equality" for everyone in sharp contrast to slavery.

Lincoln basically destroyed slavery because doing so served the economic interests of the north.

 

Why shouldn't he have viewed them as abused creatures?....because that's how they were treated back then.

 

Lincoln was 56 years old when he died. The movie was 2-1/2 hours long. Obviously, over 55 years of Lincoln's life had to be left out of the movie.

Did Speilberg mention that most of the slaves ships and auction houses were owned by Jews?

 

Wrong about what? That you object to Spielberg because he is a Jew?

Lincoln always was opposed to slavery- as this letter exemplifies- claims to the contrary are just false.


Lincoln:
You know I dislike slavery;....I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border.


Lincoln considered negroes for the most part to be inferior to white men- which was the belief of almost all white men of his day- but he considered them to be men.

Three days before he was shot, Lincoln stood on the second floor of the White House and made a speech to a crowd assembled outside celebrating the recent Union victory over the Confederacy. With his troops and Frederick Douglass very much in mind, Lincoln told the cheering crowd, which had demanded that he come to the window to address them, that he had decided to recommend that his 200,000 black troops and “the very intelligent Negroes” be given the right to vote.

Standing in the crowd was John Wilkes Booth. Hearing those words, Booth turned to a man next to him and said, “That means (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) citizenship. Now, by God! I'll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.” Three days later, during the third act of Our American Cousin, Booth followed through with his promise.

http://www.theroot.com/views/was-lincoln-racist?page=0,2

As I have said before- the greatest Republican President.

 

Well...Lincoln isn't alive today.

So let's deal with the environment he did live in, and back then, his ideas were radical change.

Progressives like change, conservatives do not. (generally)

True intellectually sound thinkers realize change is good about 1/2/the time, and bad the other 1/2.

Same goes for conserving tradition.

 

He wanted to end slavery because he saw it as the only way to keep the Union in tact. It had nothing to do with the bleeding heart emotionalism you are ascribing to him in your revisionist progressive agenda. He said he would have not freed a single slave if it would have kept the Union in tact. But that's not the Lincoln that schoolchildren are taught around the country.

 

From 4th Lincoln/Douglas Debate, 1858
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.

From Lincoln’s Published Response to Horace Greeley, 1862
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.

 

Lincoln:

Do you think differently? I thought that whatever negroes can be got to do as soldiers, leaves just so much less for white soldiers to do, in saving the Union. Does it appear otherwise to you?

But negroes, like other people, act upon motives. Why should they do any thing for us, if we will do nothing for them? If they stake their lives for us, they must be prompted by the strongest motive—even the promise of freedom. And the promise being made, must be kept.

 

Ah come on Brewkier. The truth on lincoln wont make a good hollywood film

We need to lie, for the good of Amerika.

 

These libs want to romanticize Lincoln and rewrite history so that he waged the bloodiest war in American history so a bunch of blacks could be free. What a joke.

 

And what is the picture that we get of this?

Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery- and always was. But as a moderate- he didn't believe in the radical idea of immediate abolition- but embraced the idea once he realized that his ambition of saving the Union was best accomplished by immediate abolition.

 

The Conservatives want to romanticize the Confederacy and rewrite history so that they didn't wage the bloodiest war in American history in order to keep their black slaves.

 

And apparently the lies are the fault of the Jews.....

LOL

 

More liberal propaganda. Slavery was falling out of favor all around the world. Believe it or not, most countries did away with it without wiping out a good percentage of their population. It was only a matter of time before it was gone in the South. The Confederacy existed because it did not want to be subject to a powerful centralized Government. The war was fought over State's rights, not slavery.

The Confederacy did not wage the war. They just wanted to be left alone. It's called the War of Northern Aggression for a reason.

 

The civil war was truly the death of America. No geographical area as large and diverse as North America (not incliding Canaduh) should be represented by an all powerful centralized government.

Obama truly is another lincoln. Like lincoln, he is a dictator. And like lincoln, he seems to be okay with dead Americans (except trayvon martin he was a future democrat voter. But victims of fort hood terrorist were military affiliated probably conservative so a bump in the road. The military casualities, they get standarized, impersonal letters)

 

LOL- thanks for proving my point!

The Conservatives want to romanticize the Confederacy and rewrite history so that they didn't wage the bloodiest war in American history in order to keep their black slaves.

 

You said it.

 

Really? America since the Civil War entered its greatest period of prosperity and personal freedom.

Obama could only wish he was half the politician that Lincoln was.

Clearly you have no idea what a dictator is. Or what casualties are.

Lincoln was the greatest Republican President.

 

The Confederacy should have been allowed to peacefully secede. Slavery would have been gone in a few years, anyway. The left wing myth is that everyone in the South owned slaves and condoned slavery. It's not true. Lincoln fought an imperial war to preserve the Government's power. He was a tyrant.

 

Just reminding people of the motivation of many of those who hate the movie.

 

LOL- thanks for proving my point!

The Conservatives want to romanticize the Confederacy and rewrite history so that they didn't wage the bloodiest war in American history in order to keep their black slaves.