Londonistan: 423 New Mosques; 500 Closed Churches

im not here to defend religion or condone extremists. I will however assure you that the VAST MAJORITY is Not beating there slaves wife children, having concubines or anything crazy in the name of jesus, allah, buddha or the great spaghetti. Your cherry picking and being disingenuous. If you think that religion is the biggest or one of the bi ggest problems in america, then your ignoring the entire world around you. Real, normal religous people keep there personal faith private. You dont hear from them because 1) the extremists are the ones making all the noise and 2) normal people are bad for tv ratings. there are some issues that cross moral religous lines, like abortion or gay mairrage, but generally speaking we grow out of that stupidness. Unfortunately we are now talking about an economical AND moral issue when it comes to abortion.

 

Five times a day!

 

You're quickly becoming one of my top 3 favorite posters on this forum.

 

Islam would be a lot of WORK! But if I get 72 virgins it might be worth it.

 

Please explain to me WHY I'd want to spend my precious time doing that since the invention of internet porn.

 

In Muslimland you don't get a choice. You will pray five times a day, like it or not.

 

Great - then these legions of religious people that are apparently paragons of virtue will have no problem removing the many many many parts of their texts that say that women are inferior to men, that gays should be killed, that non-believers like me are such utter scum that we DESERVE barbaric torture "after death".
Please raise your moral standards.

 

Well that would mean that Islam is just as bad as Jesus is, because Jesus ALSO forces people to do things they don't want to do - worship Jesus, "LIKE IT OR NOT", or he's set up a scheme whereby you get tortured in a "lake of fire". Sounds like Islam nor Jesus believe in freedom, unlike Modern Secular Humanism.

I'd like to find one Christian ethical/loving enough to say this prayer: "Jesus, I love my children so much that if they convert out of your religion, and are ethical, can you please change your ways and find it in your heart to let them into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."
But with JESUS as a role model I don't think they can muster the moral courage to do that, sadly.

Have a great week.

 

You're defending barbaric texts. Stop that.

 

Get back to me when Muslims evolve into the 21st like Christians.

 

The problem is that JESUS DID NOT "grow out of that stupidness"....Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman....he was too stupid and too uncaring to also define it as between two women, nor between two men. He only got it 1/3 right - and he's had 2000 years to admit he was wrong and hateful. So he's either a prick, or not real - so either way he's obviously not worth sucking up to. And to be a Christian one has to believe unscientific things - or to tell your children which exact parts of the Bible are not scientifically correct (in other words which parts did god get wrong.)

 

Ok, yes, I do agree with your point that Islam is quite barbaric, and in some ways Christians are ahead of Muslims, ethically.

But that STILL does not mean that Christians are ethical COMPARED TO MODERN SECULAR HUMANISTS Islam yes, MSH, no), since they won't say that prayer I mentioned....and I still be you can't find Christians that love their own children enough to say it: "Jesus, I love my children so much that if they convert out of your religion, and are ethical, can you please change your ways and find it in your heart to let them into heaven and avoid hell. Thanks."

 

tell me where i did that. I defended the billions of moderates who like beer and sex, too. Your cherry picking. Stop that.

 

Religious people don't believe in evolution, because their religious texts and god were too stupid to even mention evolution (creationism, anyone?)

 

I think the biggest concern here is that Sharia Law is becoming a thing they study in school. And in the name of multiculturalism it's going to become part of the English Law legal system.

Just like Muslims are pushing for Sharia Law courts here in the USA. That's what the Muslims want Sharia Law. Even the moderate ones.

 

this is not about jesus. There are obviously parts of all religions that are crap. But to focus on that is missing the forest for the trees. How about the giant methodist church down my street that has a rainbow flag and a sign saying free palestine? Pretty much throws a monkey wrench into your sweeping generalizations.

 

The belief in the magic and unproven "soul" is the problem - no evidence for it. They believe that an 8-cell zygote is just as viable as a fully-born human because they belief that both have a "soul", so are perfectly equals. The NEED this "soul" in their religion so they have something to threaten with torture after you die - since, uh, it's pretty obvious by looking at dead bodies that you go absolutely nowhere after you die. They also can't reward a lifeless corpse with "heaven", so again, they need the "soul" to tempt you to put aside science and believe in "heaven". Bible 1.0 didn't really have "heaven" (did have "sheol"), so they ramped up the fear-factor for Bible 2.0....Jesus brought more fear into the game than even the barbaric Old Testament did. Jesus taught fear.

 

Absolutely. Best post of the day.
Yes, ask your "moderate" Muslims friends: "When Q5:33 says to crucify, and cut off hands, and to cut off feet as punishment, is that punishment what's best for humanity?" They will squirm.

 

Then you agree with me that all religious people are delusional ("The God Delusion")?

 

A lot of Christians and Catholics have pushed the clergy into advancing toward 21st century solutions. That doesn't mean they are perfect, priest pedophile ring, anyone. But there are maybe a handful of deaths every year in the name of Christianity compared to the thousands at the hands of Muslims.

 

Hypocritical pieces of garbage. "We support gays, but are such hypocritial s***s that we can't remove that parts that say to KILL THEM from our best book of all time, because we are not only hypocritical, but scared little lambs - we don't really think that god/Jesus is ok with gays or that part would have been removed centuries ago and probably not even made it into the Bible in the first place, so we cover our bases by leaving the kill gays parts in the book."

Don't support their intellectual cowardice.

 

....or maybe they just believe its intrinsically valuable and precious because it could grow into a ****ing baby...tell me, does a baby only become conscious after birth? Thats magic bullshit. What about premature births? Only conscious after the magic nine month mark? Like i said, it should be legal, but dont feed me the line of **** that it doesnt matter and isnt human somehow. Does life not matter to you?

 

Faith is inherently irrational and to question it is to invite an irrational response.

 

EXPECT MORE from their supposedly all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, timeless creator of the entire universe. See, their GOD says women are inferior, their GOD says Buddhists are scum, their GOD didn't know that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, their GOD didn't know that the sun does not revolve around the earth. If they've moved beyond their god's ignorance then they are ignorant for thinking he's really "god", then.

 

Yet, they don't commit mass murder in the name of their god. I'll take Christians any day over Muslims.